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02-07-2016 , 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by anatta
one time during the debate they had a rear side shot of the whole gang, with rubio all tiny and he looked like he had cute boots on imo.
LOL
02-07-2016 , 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by simplicitus
Rubio did well, it's a strong field, Obama wrecked the economy and is destroying America and is doing it on purpose. EZ game.
fyp.

yeah, i forgot. facts don't matter.

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Originally Posted by simplicitus
To understand Cruz I keep going back to an experience I had in HS. Me and one other guy were up for Boy's State (some political camp or something). We had to stand up at the American Legion hall and introduce ourselves and they got to ask some questions. They asked each of us whether the US should pass an amendment against flag burning (was a "hot topic" at the time). He said no and I said yes, and we each gave a little speech in support of our position. I didn't care much either way but was actually somewhat against the amendment. Nevertheless, I understood the demo and gave some half-hearted Murica first answer. He went the other way and ended up winning by a small bit, and I felt like a hypocrite.

I see Cruz as a guy who picks his positions, argues strong for them and never second guesses himself. He's not really a hypocrite, because he's molded his ideology to fit the sort of rubes he's trying to recruit. He's been giving speeches to them since high school. There's not really a self-aware character under the facade, unless that character is a very competent fixer who self-consciously works to maximize the return on the persona/ideology he has chosen and become.
if i'm understanding this correctly, i agree. it isn't a facade, it really is his ideology. i think cruz firmly believes everything he says and plans on following through on everything he says he will do. he's not saying anything during the primaries that he would walk back in the GE. if anything, he will be even more unwavering in his commitment.

one thing about ted. i would never say "he's lying to get elected". i have zero doubt he is being completely honest when talking about his policies. they are neanderthal, but he believes in them.
02-07-2016 , 05:33 PM
My favorite part of the introduction fiasco is when Bush comes out. He sees Trump and Carson and realizes there has been some kind of problem.

Then as he passes them he gives Trump a playful smack and makes a face like, "welp, that's a shame". LOL.
02-07-2016 , 05:43 PM
Btw I remember now why I faded Rubio. He just seems to shrink in big moments. This would seem to be an over-comeable problem with lots of effort. But last night would indicate maybe not or he's not putting in the effort or is surrounded by morons.
02-07-2016 , 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by m_reed05
I doubt it hurts Cruz much but it's not as easy for him to make it me vs librul media when Trump and Carson are hitting him on the same point.
yup, true dat. pretty small needle to thread there.

i doubt it hurts him much either. as noted, it's cruz. everyone already knows what kind of ******* he is.

the only way it hurts him is if the cover-up (blaming cnn) becomes bigger than the actual issue. if that gets legs, then maybe it hurts him a bit.

tbh, it's ****ing iowa, and it's a ****ing caucus, not a vote. every news outlet in the world and every candidate out there could have announced carson was withdrawing, and it wouldn't have made the carson reps in the ****ing caucus locations magically disappear. not to mention the fact that carson hit his poll numbers right on, so that would dispel any notions of "carson supporters didn't show up".

more noise. less actual policy discussion. good for networks/bloggers/websites, bad for us.
02-07-2016 , 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Jake (The Snake)
My favorite part of the introduction fiasco is when Bush comes out. He sees Trump and Carson and realizes there has been some kind of problem.
The look of utter exasperation on his face is just priceless.
02-07-2016 , 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Btw I remember now why I faded Rubio. He just seems to shrink in big moments. This would seem to be an over-comeable problem with lots of effort. But last night would indicate maybe not or he's not putting in the effort or is surrounded by morons.
Almost speaking of over-comeable, if Rubio tries to run in 4 years he's going to have a pretty bad comb-over to over-come.
02-07-2016 , 05:56 PM
He'll be dead in 4 years - this is his moment.
02-07-2016 , 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Btw I remember now why I faded Rubio. He just seems to shrink in big moments. This would seem to be an over-comeable problem with lots of effort. But last night would indicate maybe not or he's not putting in the effort or is surrounded by morons.
i'm more inclined to believe it is an innate ability. you either have it or you don't. and he doesn't. he's likeable on a day to day basis, and he's good in front of a friendly crowd who knows the script. that's his strong suit.

he's almost a complete 180 from hrc. she's unlikeable, and can barely get through a stump speech in front of an adoring crowd. but turn the bright lights on and put her on the big stage, and you get the slapdown she put on the extra-super-duper select panel.
02-07-2016 , 06:04 PM
If he waited 8 years to run would that still be true iyo?

Last edited by Loki; 02-07-2016 at 06:04 PM. Reason: @suz
02-07-2016 , 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Almost speaking of over-comeable, if Rubio tries to run in 4 years he's going to have a pretty bad comb-over to over-comb.
FYP.
02-07-2016 , 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
He'll be dead in 4 years - this is his moment.
I was afraid you were talking about Bernie for a second there.
02-07-2016 , 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
Wasn't someone here, Spaceman Bryce or whatever, buying up tons of Jeb shares at 1c on PredictIt?
Just fyi I semi wusses out and only bought 9k shares ( for 1-3cents)was considering making a much larger purchase.
02-07-2016 , 10:03 PM
And it's too late because at 12 cents and stalling no super value. I think the best jeb bet is jeb for prez at 4 cents now.
02-08-2016 , 01:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Karak
What the hell was that
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Originally Posted by anatta
I missed it too. And the move is sort of ****ing with my options to watch it. Cliffs ?
02-08-2016 , 02:04 AM
I think Rubio is the product of the political system hand-picking candidates.

He's been groomed to win elections for so long and did it with the help of the machine more than through his power of charisma or will. So he gets to big moments where it's all on him and not on his handlers or prep team or speech writing staff and he just freezes.

Rubio V. Hillary if we ever get there will be one of the great eviscerations in political history. If he can't handle Chris ****ing Christie how will he handle Hillary on a bigger stage?
02-08-2016 , 02:19 AM
Rubio harkens back to Dan Quail.
02-08-2016 , 03:12 AM
Already saw on Twitter: "Rubio is Spanish for Quayle."
02-08-2016 , 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Zimmer4141
I think Rubio is the product of the political system hand-picking candidates.

He's been groomed to win elections for so long and did it with the help of the machine more than through his power of charisma or will. So he gets to big moments where it's all on him and not on his handlers or prep team or speech writing staff and he just freezes.

Rubio V. Hillary if we ever get there will be one of the great eviscerations in political history. If he can't handle Chris ****ing Christie how will he handle Hillary on a bigger stage?
rubio has won one major competitive election, in which he was not the favorite to win whatsoever in the beginning. He wasn't groomed to win elections for so long.
02-08-2016 , 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
Pretty easy to see what happened with #IntroGate or #IntroClownCar or whatever we're calling it...

- Trump gets introduced but sees Carson. Unlike Cruz, Donald is slightly more considerate and or gets hit with a moment of self-doubt so he stops to wait too...
Much as I hate what TRUMP says, I have to admit there are moments when he seems to understand how to work the muscles that display humanity. Maybe I'm projecting or whatever but I did see this as TRUMP being sympathetic to Carson, kind of like that time at an NBA game that Maurice Cheeks stepped up to help that girl sing the national anthem.
02-08-2016 , 03:30 PM
No. Neither one of them heard the lady call their names.
02-08-2016 , 03:46 PM
I watched some YouTubes of Rubio arguing in the Senate and he's not the total bot he seemed like in the debate.
02-08-2016 , 04:00 PM
Trump almost definitely knew what was going on. First, he saunters out at a slow pace to meet Carson, then when he gets to Carson he says something to him. Most likely there is a TV backstage. You can see others walking very confidently out and passing them by - if there were no TV backstage the others would at least show a little surprise.
02-08-2016 , 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by trob888
No. Neither one of them heard the lady call their names.
This. There was a problem whenever she called a name and never when the man did.
02-08-2016 , 04:17 PM
She called names during the peak of applause, terrible timing.

      
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