MMA Thread

[Swiiftx]

Originally Posted by whytetittie

That is the whole problem with the 10-9 system, it's way to broad. You can almost justify anything and flip a coin for either guy in close fights.

Agree, unfortunately it's nothing UFC can do. The judging is something they can't affect.

[mlane]

Bring them pride rules back son!!!! Soccer kicks, knees to the head, Head stomps! Wrastlers would be so fun to watch.

[PhatPots]

I have no interest in a rematch between Condit and Diaz. I gotta say a lot of the cards lately have been lacking. Some of the headliners aren't even good enough for co-mainevents IMO

[mlane]

This is an interesting thought, could they overload the casual fans with mediocre cards? I can def see a trend of some capable fighters who could start to implement gameplans to win decisions. This could result in the casual viewer turning away from the sport due to a lack of brawls and KO's.

[Swiiftx]

Originally Posted by mlane

This is an interesting thought, could they overload the casual fans with mediocre cards? I can def see a trend of some capable fighters who could start to implement gameplans to win decisions. This could result in the casual viewer turning away from the sport due to a lack of brawls and KO's.

MMA is the future of fighting sports and the UFC is a strong brand that is only going to get stronger and stronger. People have always loved fighting and MMA is just getting more n more viewers whereas boxing has stagnated/ on a downward path. Yes, some fights are going to be boring, just like some boxing matches have been boring even when boxing was the most populare.

[kingofcool]

boxing is not on a downward path. stop saying that.
fwiw mma (ufc) growth have stagnated going by ppv-buys, but i hope the FOX-deal helps in that aspect.

[mlane]

Originally Posted by kingofcool

boxing is not on a downward path. stop saying that.
fwiw mma (ufc) growth have stagnated going by ppv-buys, but i hope the FOX-deal helps in that aspect.

This is correct not a lot of whiteys watch boxing, its why the ufc went after cain and promoted the **** out of him and have spanish language broadcasts or i could totally be offbase here.

The PPV buys have to be due to the economy and having PPV cards on back to back weekends. The avg MMA fan isn't going to want to jam sixty a weekend, two to three times a month.

[kingofcool]

Originally Posted by mlane

This is correct not a lot of whiteys watch boxing, its why the ufc went after cain and promoted the **** out of him and have spanish language broadcasts or i could totally be offbase here.

The PPV buys have to be due to the economy and having PPV cards on back to back weekends. The avg MMA fan isn't going to want to jam sixty a weekend, two to three times a month.

Hispanics drive the boxing economy in the us, yep.

Also even though the sport is not as big in us as it was in the 80s, its very big globally.. The klitschko brothers sell out 50k stadiums while fighting "bum of the month"

[just_mo]

Originally Posted by PhatPots

I have no interest in a rematch between Condit and Diaz. I gotta say a lot of the cards lately have been lacking. Some of the headliners aren't even good enough for co-mainevents IMO

Lacking in terms of what? I certainly hope you don't mean excitement...because every card from 139 to UFC on FX delivered great action, and 143 was solid as well.

@mlane, I can't wait for the day knees to the head on the ground are allowed again. Would make certain ground positions (north-south, turtle) much more dynamic.

[DodgerIrish]

Few things;

Knees and kicks to a downed opponent aren't being allowed in the US, I hesitate to say forever, but ... forever.

During this stretch there's been numerous injury related shuffles on some main bouts (that may be the norm moving forward due to the raised stakes)

During this stretch we've also had some of the most amazing bouts ever (Shogun/Hendo, Barry/Kongo, etc anyone?)

Boxing is most definitely on a downward path. They may have bottomed out tho - a very few elite stars doesn't speak to the dearth of talent in the sport overall.

Also when it comes to over-saturation, we haven't even begun to see the next generation of talents that will grow up training MMA or at least socially aware of it.

[kingofcool]

Originally Posted by DodgerIrish

Boxing is most definitely on a downward path. They may have bottomed out tho - a very few elite stars doesn't speak to the dearth of talent in the sport overall.

downward compared to what? The 70s? The 80s? Yes.
Compared to 2005? No, not really.

MMA similarly has only a few "elite stars", just like boxing. There's not really room for much more.

Boxing has very good up and coming talent. More than mma has, but that obviously is because boxing is a bigger sport with a much larger talentpool.

Not trying to put one over the other, just tired of the (often baseless) assumptions about boxing from mma-fans.
I love both sports and they can clearly co-exist and do very very well.

This is about sports betting, not general sports discussions, i guess, so whatever.


(oh and i think MMA has a lot going for them to grow over the next 50 years. It's mostly guys between 18-40 who are fans while for boxing it's 3-90. When our generation grow old the sport will be more accepted and spread somewhat even through all agegroups.. oh and imagine the talent created with more knowledge on how to practice deliberately for mma. wow)

[DodgerIrish]

By your logic boxing should have just as big or more attention when it comes to the under-cards compared to UFC

Originally Posted by kingofcool

Boxing has very good up and coming talent. More than mma has, but that obviously is because boxing is a bigger sport with a much larger talentpool.

oh and imagine the talent created with more knowledge on how to practice deliberately for mma. wow

And no one is saying boxing is trying to get back to their peak of 2005. Yes everyone is comparing boxing to when it, you know, was a big deal

[just_mo]

Knees to the head on the ground will be allowed eventually I think. It's going to take some time, and people in our generation to come to positions of importance in the MMA/commission world.

[kingofcool]

Originally Posted by DodgerIrish

By your logic boxing should have just as big or more attention when it comes to the under-cards compared to UFC

This is flawed. Undercard in either sport doesn't get attention from anyone other than the dedicated hardcore fans.

It's also quite irrelevant. Undercard in ufc = ~top50 fighters. In boxing, due to the large pool of fighters, it's often a future contender vs. a bum.
What it boils down to as per the talent discussion, boxing = has a lot of great talent coming up. It's hardly a good argument to put against boxing.

[DodgerIrish]

Weed will be legal before dudes are getting soccer kicked in the face on Fox

They've been saying weed is gonna be legalized for 40 years. The UFC has no interest in appealing to the blood-lust of the minority while alienating the majority