That fight was a disgrace, referee didnt get him the chance to do anything.

I actually felt the Figueroa decision was fair given the 2 point deduction, but I think it should have been a 28-28 with a 1 point deduction.

are people still crying about the diaz loss ?

4-2+1 ytd
starkl-1
pierce l-1
werdum w+1
condit+180W+1
2-2 +.80 6-4 ytd+1.8

I was there, thought Diaz took it 1,2,5 (sometimes it's easier to judge from TV though)

I saw his aggression as octagon control, Condit fought for a points win, Daiz to finish the fight. His back tracking would have been penalised in Boxing or MT. Such a shame to see a fighter lose his killer instinct like that when he' on the biggest stage of his career, lost me as a fan.

I still like to think of it as Ultimate FIGHTING championship rather than a point sport (hate what Jackson does to fighters).

Don't be shocked if there's a rematch prior to the GSP fight, will be too hard to sell GSP Condit on that performance.

Doubt there will be a rematch.

Everyone who thinks Diaz had "aggression and Octagon control" needs to quit watching MMA. Walking headfirst into strikes from your opponent is NOT aggression. And Condit clearly had Octagon control since he was dictating where the fight was taking place (center of the cage rather than against the fence).

"Aggression" is not a judging factor in MMA. It is "effective aggression." I don't consider barreling into your opponent's leg kicks and whiffing strikes to be effective aggression. If you do, you probably love Leonard Garcia and think was a robbery.

Diaz fanboys could be the worst in this sport, honestly. I enjoy watching Diaz fight, he has an exciting style and his body punches are probably my favorite in MMA. But hearing some of his fanboys' logic for why he won just makes me shake my head and wonder if there is any hope for the fanbase of this sport.

Agree. I will say I was rooting for Diaz since I want to see him fight vs GSP. Also just because he has a great chin and can take a lot of punishment, doesn't mean he's winning the fight and that you can't count Condits strikes as effective. I mean, Condit landed a headkick and Diaz pretty much walked through it like nothing had happened, does that mean he gets a point for being good at taking punishment? No, Condit gets a point for punching his opponent on the head. Another similar fight like this was the BJ Penn Edgar fight, yes BJ Penn was the aggressor, following around Edgar, but Edgar was the one connecting with his hand by using superb footmovement, being faster and good technique.

Walking your opponent down and keeping the centre of the octagon is octagon control.

Effective aggression is forward moving, counter punching is a strategy but by definition waiting for someone to do something is not taking control.

been watching since 1996 and competed for 4 years (I'm part of the early fan base, prob why the newer guys disagree with me, I want to see a fight not a points competition)

So to be clear...you think wading forward while your opponent lands strikes is worth points. Sorry...no.

Forward movement is not effective aggression lmao. Effective aggression is aggression that's effective. How is walking forward into strikes effective? It's effective for your opponent I guess?

If Diaz had Octagon control why could he not control where the fight was? Why could he not corner Condit? Oh yeah because he didn't have control. Condit controlled space, controlled when engagements took place, and where they took place. That's control.

Not really.
Youre not using octagon control to your advantage if you chase in frustration without the ability to cut off the angles and trap your opponent.

Also, what diaz did in no way constitutes EFFECTIVE aggression. The keyword really is effective. Aggression without being effective scores no points under that criteria.

In fairness I was watching live so it may have looked different on tv.

However on a close round (which they were) I would always give the nod to the fighter pressing forward. Even if this is not currently the case it would improve fights and remove the point fighting aspect of the game.

I would also have faster stand ups with lay and pray but its only my preference

Yea I'm not saying you can't have opinions on what should be rewarded, or what kind of style you enjoy.
But the criteria's are defined, and that is what we shall base our scorecards on unless they change.

Give it a watch again elliot, you will see condit wasnt counter punching as you aluded to above, he got in first with most of the strikes then moved out of the way.

Coming forward being hit and not getting your own strikes away isnt effective aggression.

NO FAIR, THE GIANTS DID WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO AND DIDN'T LET THE PATRIOTS DO WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO. THAT'S NOT WINNING, THAT'S RUNNING AWAY FROM THEIR OPPONENT.

Edgar is my favourite fighter so it's hard to be unbiased. I think Edgar will win but Bendo is the only man at LW who can beat him right now other than potentially Maynard with a better gameplan. I have 1 unit on Edgar, if he was fighting anyone other than Bendo it would be more (I had 3 units on him in Maynard 3 fight for example). If he gets to be an underdog i'll throw a few more units on. I think Edgar wins 60% or so if I had to put a number on it. Edgar by decision is probably the best bet you can make on that one if it's +200 or something

15u is bigger than 12u so you win - but i'd say if i'd won 7 units going 9/9 on this card (instead of the 12 I actually won) and I compare that to my 142 where I won about 7 units on one fight and didnt bet the rest of the card, picking the whole card correctly here is more impressive... but money talks, so well played 15u>12u I guess, doesn't really matter we both had a pretty spectacular card.

Shame G-Sot had to pull out of the Gomi fight, was looking forward to betting him pretty heavily, Gomi's so washed up it isn't even funny and G-Sot would have found a way to tap him. There should still be plenty of bets for 144 though, Palaszewski vs Hioki stands out if Palaszewski is the +200 or worse underdog, which I expect him to be, he could easily even open +300 imo. Kongo vs Hunt is a snapbet too if Kongo is better than -200 and Okami over Boetsch if the odds are at all reasonable, plus I don't hate betting Vaughan Lee over Kid Yamamoto (who is basically a can in my opinion currently) if he's an underdog, even though Lee has never been that impressive I think Yamamoto might be the weakest name fighter in the BW division

Now I've heard it all. Thank you.

Great night of fights, I was at the casino @ the time so i didnt see everything. Sick pick on Werdum was ez victory for us. That Thompson guy looks like a beast. Last 2 weeks up 5k from mma betting, slowly chopping away at my mma-betting deficit.

Thoughts on Stefan Struve Vs Dave Herman?

It's what it looked like from the stands, I'll try and find a stream to watch.

However many pro's it seems agree with my view.... Guess Randy has no clue as well....

RondaRousey Ronda Rousey
If I wanted to see a man run for 25 minutes I'd go to a track meet. Diaz is the real champ, what a bull**** fight
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Jens_Pulver Jens Pulver
One last thing before I go to bed. IMO @nickdiaz209 had it 48-47. Thats it. Good night. Love my Diaz bros @NateDiaz209
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andreward Andre S.O.G. Ward
Didn't see it but heard by guy #NickDiaz got robbed!!
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joshneer josh neer
Wow. Nick got robbed 4-1 diaz. Carlos was doing the Forrest Gump #runforestrun
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arielhelwani Ariel Helwani
Condit wins via decision. Great fight. I think I had it 3-2 Diaz but need to watch again.
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danhendo Dan Henderson
Wow, I would not want to judge that one. I had it even after 4. And diaz in the 5th
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lol left out the randy quote, however Hendo know his stuff

josh neer, andre ward and ronda rousey are both friends and training partners of diaz. Just saying.

yeh, them bitches are biased. Im a huge diaz broz fan but lets be real, condit came in and executed his gameplan pretty well. I had it it r1 3 4 and most of 5 in favor of condit, you can argue round 5 but still 3-2 at best. Diaz is can take an unreal amount of punishment.

also, i wasnt impressed at all with Koscheck and think he should have been deducted a point or some **** for pokeing him in the eye after 2 ****ING WARNINGS.. Pierce won that ****. Hes on crack if he thinks he can compete with the champ.

I'll shut up until I've watched a reply.

Wow Diaz's friends and training partners think he won?! That settles it then, I am definitely wrong about this one.

I'm liking Herman over Struve quite a bit. Also think Bendo is worth a bet against Edgar.

I may book your action on both of those depending on amounts if you want to save on juice. Undecided on Herman/Struve, I think the line is going to move and i'll get on Struve at +150ish. Herman looked like crap against Einemo, if he doesn't one-punch-KO struve he's going to lose.

Edgar Bendo will just be amazing, but i've learned one thing and that is betting on Frankie Edgar to beat the odds is always a good idea, and i'll be on him every fight until he loses the title (although i'm biased as an Edgar fan since he's my fav fighter, he's made me money on Penn 2, Maynard 3 and imo he won Maynard 2 48-46 as well and I was on him for that too)