MMA Thread

[darko3131]

Originally Posted by DannyOcean_

you realize silva had a busted up rib in the first fight? The same injury that made Stun Gun immediately bitch out and quit in the first minute of a fight tonight?

Silva catches him a large to huge % of the time.

Sonnen cleary won round 1 of this fight too without the busted up rib excuse. I just think Sonnen is a really bad matchup for Silva and even though Silva is 2-0 both wins were flukey. More a matter of Sonnen making mistakes than Silva being so dominate.

It's not like I bet on Sonnen or anything, I bet Silva in fight 1 and consider it a major suckout but I think in an odd way Sonnen has his number. No talk of Silva using the vaseline on himself or holding the band of Sonnen's trunks either?

[Jaymun]

Originally Posted by darko3131

Sonnen cleary won round 1 of this fight too without the busted up rib excuse. I just think Sonnen is a really bad matchup for Silva and even though Silva is 2-0 both wins were flukey. More a matter of Sonnen making mistakes than Silva being so dominate.

It's not like I bet on Sonnen or anything, I bet Silva in fight 1 and consider it a major suckout but I think in an odd way Sonnen has his number. No talk of Silva using the vaseline on himself or holding the band of Sonnen's trunks either?

Disagree. The fact of the matter is virtually nobody is capable of fighting a perfect 25 minutes, and part of the reason Silva is so good is that he can capitalize on ANY mistake. Sonnen is not good enough to be perfect for 25 minutes, and silva is good enough to take advantage of that and win. I think Silva wins 9 or 10 times out of 10 against sonnen, simply because sonnen, like most fighters, can't fight a perfect 25 minutes.

[just_mo]

Flukes when he finished him twice, the second in dominating fashion? Come on man. He dropped the first against Hendo too, doesn't mean it's a fluke.

Weidman is the chosen one. He's the guy who could challenge Silva down the line if he keeps improving. Problem is by the time he's rdy 1 yr+ from now, who knows if Silva will still be the same or if he will even be fighting.

[DjSkyy]

silva -250 was the bet of the year (well, maybe werdum -140 vs roy was about as good)

but i'm happy to see all the mentally challenged individuals saying it was a double fluke, gives me hope i'll be able to cash in on this ridiculous hype a 3rd time

cung le +200 was sick value too, everyone who took my advice can ship me a few bucks on the new US online sites next year

[SwoopAE]

Weidman just hasn't impressed me

Alessio Sakara sucks, Jesse Bongfeldt is bleh, Tom Lawlor loses to average wrestlers and his win over Maia was one of Maia's worst performances and it still wasn't a one sided beatdown or anything

Sure, he's a prospect. But I think Munoz is going to derail his hype train. 1u on Munoz so far, may add more depending where the odds end up.

I'd be willing to bet Weidman doesn't get a title shot before the end of 2013 if ever in any case as he'll have to go through another top level guy to get the shot even if he beats Munoz and much like much like the way Mitrione was hyped I just don't think he'll ever get to the title.

[SwoopAE]

Originally Posted by DjSkyy

silva -250 was the bet of the year (well, maybe werdum -140 vs roy was about as good)

but i'm happy to see all the mentally challenged individuals saying it was a double fluke, gives me hope i'll be able to cash in on this ridiculous hype a 3rd time

cung le +200 was sick value too, everyone who took my advice can ship me a few bucks on the new US online sites next year

Actually the best bets of the past year have been Evans over Davis and Belfort over imo at the prices that were available.

Also Lee over Yamamoto was sick value too.

If Silva opens at anything less than -500 against any of Bisping/Stann/Lombard/Munoz/Weidman/Boetsch/any other current MW contender, i'll be surprised.

[DjSkyy]

Originally Posted by SwoopAE

Actually the best bets of the past year have been Evans over Davis and Belfort over imo at the prices that were available.

Also Lee over Yamamoto was sick value too.

If Silva opens at anything less than -500 against any of Bisping/Stann/Lombard/Munoz/Weidman/Boetsch/any other current MW contender, i'll be surprised.

i was on both of the bets you mentioned also (check the archives), but i still think werdum was probably the sickest value around, and that the hype train on last night's fight made a -450 line into a -250 one, which is obv unreal value for such well studied fighters.

[SwoopAE]

oh right I forgot about that I was on Werdum vs Nelson too, that was amazing value, Nelson just isn't the right type of fighter to beat Werdum

[just_mo]

LOL you compared Weidman to Mitrione.

The trolling around here is getting out of control, cmon guys.

Anyways, dogging on Weidman is pretty ignorant. IDK if he will ever make it to the top but there's no doubt he has the talent. The guy came into the UFC in his FIFTH pro fight and all he's done is dominate 3 mediocre guys and then beat a perennial contender whom he stepped in to fight on ELEVEN DAYS NOTICE. If that doesn't impress you then you have a skewed view of reality.

[DjSkyy]

Gonna have to do a lil research, but definitely leaning munoz +125 here. Idk why this guy is so often underrated.

[just_mo]

Originally Posted by DjSkyy

Gonna have to do a lil research, but definitely leaning munoz +125 here. Idk why this guy is so often underrated.

He's properly rated by most, I would say. We've seen more than enough of Munoz to know who he is in the cage: a good athlete with very big power, a very hittable chin, and the seeming inability to translate his wrestling ability fully into MMA.

[SwoopAE]

I'm not saying Munoz is a lock but he's a proven commodity, and proven 4th-8th ranked guy. I'm also not denying that Weidman has potential, but I think Munoz wins over half the time, and he's the underdog.

Munoz beat Maia too fwiw and Maia fought a lot better against Munoz than he did against Weidman.

I was using Mitrione as an example of a prospect a lot of people thought would fight for the title sooner rather than later. I think we'll be talking about Weidman the same way we talk about Mitrione in six months time. I could be wrong of course, it's just my opinion.

[SwoopAE]

Originally Posted by GoDeViLs

Kinda funny a guy with a 17-11 record is being inducted into HOF. I give the guy respect but it seems wrong to reward mediocrity with HOF induction.

Randy Couture's record is barely better.

I count 3 names in Tito's entire list of opponents that didn't go on to have successful careers, and only 2 of his 11 losses were to people who never held a title (and only 1 in Matt Hamill which was after his prime if we're counting Guy Mezger's UFC tournament win as a title). He also beat 3 champions/former champs and held the UFC LHW title.

Honestly if we look at Randy's record, he only has slightly better wins than Tito, and more losses to non champions (3 as opposed to 2) and his record is 19-11 and seven of his opponents never went on to have successful careers.

I don't see anyone questioning his HOF induction, and it's simply because he's more popular than Tito. Sure, Tito isn't among the greatest of all time, but he kept the UFC alive in a time when it was struggling, was a champion and had some of the most famous fights of all time. He deserves his place.

Defining his career as mediocrity is ridiculous. By that definition, BJ Penn's career is mediocre, as are Royce Gracie, Ken Shamrock, Matt Hughes, etc. - just because they're not at the top of their divisions anymore doesn't mean they aren't among the best of their generation of fighters, Tito just stuck around longer than most of them did, and lost a lot of fights late in his career, but you have to remember they were all somewhat competitive fights and against mostly elite competition. Are Shogun, Fedor, Wandy and Chuck's accomplishments less meaningful because they're still fighting (except Chuck and now Fedor) and have started to rack up losses after they were past their prime?

TLDR; Tito absolutely deserves to be in the UFC HOF

[just_mo]

Originally Posted by SwoopAE

I was using Mitrione as an example of a prospect a lot of people thought would fight for the title sooner rather than later. I think we'll be talking about Weidman the same way we talk about Mitrione in six months time. I could be wrong of course, it's just my opinion.

LOL nobody ever thought Mitrione was fighting for a title "sooner rather than later."

Also Maia deserve to beat Munoz according to many. Judges love Munoz though.

[Kirbynator]

bitches love munoz