You have to feel for DC that he'll never beat Jon Jones his greatest rival

The GOAT is back.

Jones/Oezdemir and Jones/Gustafsson 2 YES PLEASE. Jones/Lesnar HW superfight too if Lesnar's serious and not just trying to get more money out of WWE.

Stay active and healthy please Jones.

Good speech from Jones. Seems sincere whereas he usually doesn't come across that way.

Still a losing card for me but was very entertaining and I don't think any of the bets I made were particularly bad other than I think Lawler

Good to see Jones pay respect to Cormier after the rivalry's done.

DC should go to heavyweight, he's out of contention at LHW and given Cain's permanently injured and Stipe needs a challenger he could get a shot with one win - Cain could probably make LHW with some dieting and weight cut, would be a cool set of matchups if they swapped divisions

aaand there's the Lesnar callout. Hope Lesnar's serious and reenters the testing pool in time for suspension to be done for NYE card

Taking a chance on two big dogs in Japan.

Rizin FF 6 Risk $130.00

Hideo Tokoro (+1400) vs Kyoji Horiguchi $30.00 for $420.00
Tyler King (+335) vs Amir Aliakbari $100.00 for $335.00

Matches to make after this card ....

Jones vs Lesnar

Cormier ---> retired ? if not Texeira or move back to HW and try a run for the title and fight Hunt

Woodley vs GSP

Maia ----> i hope not but probly retired ?

Cyborg vs Homes

Evinger vs Rousey if she still want to fight. If not , Zingano

Lawler vs the winner of RDA / Magny or Nate diaz

Ceronne vs Thompson

Oezdemir vs Gustafson as a co-main in poland and winner fight Jones in 2018

Manuwa vs Cirkunov or Vilante


-jpp

In other news, the UFC is the stingiest organization in the history of professional sports. The organization was sold for $4 billion USD, but they've only paid 5 fighters purses greater than or equal to $1 million (not including PPV splits) in their history: Conor, Ronda, Nate Diaz, Brock Lesnar, and now Daniel Cormier (source: https://www.mmafighting.com/2017/7/3...nes-makes-500k).

What a ****ing joke. Every single fighter in the UFC will be dealing with permanent cognitive impairment by the time they retire. In the NFL, at least they attempt to take care of their players. The UFC just tosses them into the ****ing dumpster.

Dana saying Woodley's performance putting Bisping/GSP back on the table.

Man, GSP must be scared

edit: Dana saying Bisping/GSP back on, said it is because "he knows Bisping will fight"

Bisping vs GSP confirmed for Madison Square Garden

Maia not retiring, will continue to fight at 170...no broken orbital

Brock still has 6 months of suspension

JBJ vs Gus
GSP vs Bisping
Tony vs Khabib

at MSG would be pretty sick

Then i guess, next in line for woodley will be lawler ...

-jpp

Let's ****ing hope so.

Dana White confirmed that Woodley will NOT be given GSP after tonight's once again lackluster performance.

Woodley/Lawler
Masvidal/Thompson
Maia?

And you wonder why some fighters fight the way they do, I commend Woodley for fighting so defensively, at the end of the day it's not you inside that cage praying you don't get ****ing killed in there! So easy to talk **** when it's not you who is taking those blows!

I think you just don't like Woodley period. He outclassed Maja fair and square. Maja shot like 20 take downs on him and got exactly 0. That's right he got 0 take downs, bro. No need to hate, Woodley beat him fair and square. Sure Woodley not as active but neither was Maja.

I actually thought and so did a few others here that Woodley would gas because of all the TD attempts then get subbed late on, but he held his own and props to him for dismantling Maja so easily. You have to give him respect imo, he doe not take damage, he wins fights, he game plans well, he shuts his opponents down, even with his tentative approach and unwillingness to engage, his opponents still can't beat him or design a good game plan to beat him.

Maja did not get his back nor a take down, the size and height advantage meant nothing, as strength trumps height! A lot of you guys completely mis-analysed quite few match ups, including this 1.

As for the Woodley vs Wonderboy, he beat him twice imo their too. The first was not even close, he almost murdered Thompson in there, I mean gimme a break already. Wonderboy got so scared that in the 2nd fight he was even more scared to engage with him.

If you think that Wonderboy won because he landed 5 more (meaningless) shots, then you are being silly. Look at the fight overall, don't be biased.

Would like to see Masvidal getting a shot somehow if possible, not sure if its smart for him and the UFC to match him up vs Thompson and potentially kill of a good contender in Masvidal.

It seems Dana likes Lawler to get the shot, I can see that but then again look what Masvidal did to Cerrone, he absolutely dominated him and finished him. His only losses are super close split decision losses.

Either way kind of rooting against Woodley at this point and I think he will lose vs Masvidal.

Sure he fought smart, he is a good fighter, and the lackluster performance is not really the issue, but just how he acts and talks before and after his fights that annoys me a bit.

Before this fight, he was saying he would go in and dominate and get Maia out there in recordtime and steal the show and after the fight he kept on insisting how good his performance was that it was a great fight. He did something similar his last fight, wich was even worse. No self critique at all, never admits the fight was boring. Compare that to Lawler who actually had a good fight/effort and he actually dissapointed with his performance.

Again that fighting style is fine and maybe even the best way to do it, fight smart and cautious, but on the other hand don't expect fans to like it, and stop trying to make it something it's not, like a it's chess match etc and i'm fighting specialist lol and true fight fans will appreciate it. Also don't expect and cry that you want to get an even bigger push from the UFC, and feel your not treated well, and your the greatest, and that you could/should be a superstar etc.

Sorry for the rant, just not a fan of the guy at all

DC man.... the feels

The fence grabs by Woodley def prevented at least 2-3 of Maia's TD.

Woodley vs Lawler
Masvidal vs Thompson
Maia vs Cerrone or Covington

if Lawler can get back his belt...Lawler vs Mazvidal would be a fun Champ fight

I hate woodley but this is likely exaggeration. The fence grabs, and I only recall two, helped him with his balance and are against the rules but it was not like he was on his way down and was hanging on for dear life. Based on the rest of the fight it is possible but very debatably not probable that those attempts would have been competed had the fence not been grabbed.

The thing that tilts me about the woodley apologist narrative is I just don't buy that not engaging or trying to finish was actually safer in regards to avoiding takedowns compared to going for the finish. The takedown attempts were not counters to woodley attacks and the longer he let the fight go on more he would have to avoid. Someone is trying to attack you and you can either fight or flee and he chose flee. That's great for confrontation when you can get to safety--in this case safety being he closing bell--but in a combat sport? ****. I guess I'm one of the best fighters in the world since I've avoided miaia takedowns too.

Just watched the prelims, and remembered this post.

Fili got outclassed on the feet and lost an 30-27 UD

Not to attack you or point you out, we all make completely wrong picks, just wondering how could you ever think Fili should be -800? that is insane, like for him to be -800, his opponent really has to be so extremely bad, he should never even get in the UFC. Fili would not be -800 vs the worst FW on the UFC roster or vs his best match-up in the division.

Did you watch any tape on the new guy?

When I'm not lazy and watch some tape on newcomers, I actually often like picking new fighters who make their UFC debut, since I feel they are often undervalued as was obv the case in this fight. This does not go up for high profile newcomers like Will Brooks and Marlon Moraes who seemed to be overvalued.

Dana should've told him "If you look good vs Maia and fight an entertaining fight then you will fight GSP in MSG"

if it isn't going to happen then don't lie to the fighters.

Woodley called it, knew Dana was BSing him at the presser.

I can't pull up screenshots but I believe the two in question where last resorts for Woodley as he was falling/being dragged down by Maia against the fence. Obv still debatable what would have happened. Fence grabs do happen all the time obv, Mazvidal did it against Maia too -- but with DM it is a much bigger deal because often once he has you down you never get back up that round.

In general Woodley was not looking to win the fight decisively per say, he was just looking to avoid all takedowns knowing that he almost always wins on points every single time that happens.

Maia was half blind, an inferior striker, exhausted from TD attempts and Woodley still avoided him constantly. The TD defense was on point and Woodley should get credit for that as when compared to the last seven fighters it was super impressive. I was impressed that Maia kept pushing forward even into the later rounds as I assumed he would wilt completely from exhaustion and the short notice training camp.

The second I saw that eye of Maia's at the end of the first I was like...**** he is going to get knocked the **** out.

I've been really high on Fili his whole career. Really thought he was finally putting it all together and was ready to make his run after the Dias win.*

Also saw some things on tape that made me feel pretty confident however seems kinda pointless to*discuss them now.*

Altogether lost 11u last night.
Fili and Mia seemed like really bad bets in hindsight, the rest had real sweats on them and probably had small value as dogs. Ohh well onto the next

That is exactly what makes woodleys' performance so pathetic. When you are so much better than your opposition and you are content with doing absolutely nothing and only waiting for maia to do something it's hard to have any admiration for that.

Goat Anderson Silva did exactly the same, simply avoiding the TD.

Regarding the fence grab, it's a bit extreme to suddenly call him a cheat when everybody in the UFC grabs the fence. I didn't hear Swoop call out Conor or JDS when they did it, but that's because you like those fighters, am I right in that you are biased? If so I wonder how much your bets are swayed for or against your fav or least fav fighters?

He should of gotten a point deducted though as he got warned the first time but did it again. Pretty sure it only happened twice and it did look like he might get taken down, however the way he controlled Maja, I'm not sure Maja would of been able to do anything.

I still think Woodley deserves more credit, I mean the worlds best BJJ fighter in the world shot 20 times and could not even take him down once, not even 1 submission possibility, come on guys!

Mia got in really deep on multiple shots. Had woodly been coming forward and throwing aggressively I have 0 doubt Mia would have taken him down.

It wasn't like he could have just jumped in and KO'd him at any point. Woodly fought the perfect fight, feel like we should appreciate that.

Somebody in this thread said that it's not a chess match, yet a lot of fights are exactly that. At the highest level it's very much a chess match. BJJ is 100% chess. Sure some fighters fight a lot less cautiously and like to bang and trade but even Conor for example is a good example of a chess fighter.

Why take the chance broe? I don't agree that he is much better, at that level a millisecond flash mistake and you are toast. Even if Woodley defended 10 td attempts from Maja, are you saying well he is so much better so I might as well not sprawl anymore or properly defend them anymore? Think about it for a sec, if that were you fighting, how would you go about it? Personally I'd want to take the least amount of damage, so I can enjoy my life later on, but that's just me.

I agree that from a Roman gladiator spectator, fight to the death pov, that he might come across as boring and weak but we don't live in that era anymore.

Most fighters in fact decline fights all the time, I guess because they aren't really those gladiator type fighters either. I understand though, a lot of people dislike Cormier and Khabib too for example, because of their fighting styles. People like knock outs but this is MMA, you have to remember that, but that's why MMA is so cool imo, you have guys from all different fighting displines/backgrounds and they are able to compete and see who or which style is better.

I don't mind a nice chessmatch like whittaker-romero or connor-nate diaz 2 but this fight and the other 2 fights with thompson were just excruciating to watch. Maia had nothing for him this fight and it was quite clear after round 1 and 2 that a takedown was never gonna come. Woodley imo could have quite easily finished him or at least tried to finish him somewwhere between rounds 2 and 5 but he was unwilling to take any!! risk at all. I'm not sure why you are dragging cormier and khabib in this discussion, while some people might find them boring they are quite the opposite of woodley. Khabib and Cormier are almost always the agressors in their fights and engage with their opponent willingly. Woodley on the contrary only waits for his opponents to do something. Now I don't mind if you are a counterpuncher but not engaging at all when you are clearly dominating your opponent is a valid ground for criticism imo. Even his coaches between rounds are constantly telling woodley to do more and that they believe in him, yet he remains so tentative. It's fine that his goal is to take the least amount of damage as possible and be as boring as possible, but then also stop saying things like that people don't like you because you are black and that you want big moneyfights lol.
Why shouldn't we be allowed to criticize how Woodley fights? It is just extremely boring and more risk-averse and tentative than I have ever seen from any other fighter on a consistent basis. I am really not looking forward to seeing it again, and many others share this opinion.

Worst betting night of my career so far.