MMA Thread

[SwoopAE]

Originally Posted by grumpy64

lol at machida beating shogun. I mean yea maybe if the get the same retards that judged the first fight.

I really hope Machida opens as a dog

I won't take him as a favourite, but i'll definitely take him as an underdog. The only thing Shogun has over Machida is a better chin at this stage of their careers imo

Machida's being serially underrated after 'losing' to Rampage and being choked out by Jones in a fight where he was the only man who looked like he belonged in the octagon with Jones out of all of his opponents.

I would take him at evens over every LHW not named Jon Jones tbh

[just_mo]

Originally Posted by SwoopAE

I would take him at evens over every LHW not named Jon Jones tbh

I think I agree with this.

Hendricks/Kampmann even money. Hendricks IMO.

[T1LT3D]

What does everyone think of the winner of Machida/Bader facing Gustafsson and who you got?

[Machinehead]

Originally Posted by just_mo

Machida would prolly beat him at this point...Shogun looks to be deteriorating pretty alarmingly. Don't think I'll touch him against Vera even though thats an insanely winnable fight for him.

I don't see Shogun deteriorating at all. What are you basing that on? He looked as durable as humanly possible last time out.

Shogun is gonna destroy Vera. The only scary part about Shogun is he could walk into the fight with serious injuries since he never pulls out of fights. Other than that Vera doesn't have much of a chance.

[SwoopAE]

Originally Posted by T1LT3D

What does everyone think of the winner of Machida/Bader facing Gustafsson and who you got?

Gustafsson beats Bader, loses to Machida imo

He does match up better against Machida than most though.

Shogun should beat Vera pretty easily, which is a shame because I like Vera, but who knows with Shogun.

Vera should be getting his rematch with Thiago 'non human urine' Silva instead though imo and give Shogun someone a bit higher up the ladder (Rampage 2 would make a lot of sense for both fighters with the history it's an easy sell and they're both coming off a loss)

[ChrisV]

Further to the earlier discussion of riggage (or lack of) in MMA, check this graph out. These are the odds for Fedor Emelianenko in his fight with Pedro Rizzo, M-1 Global June 21, from open to present day:



This is M-1, not UFC. And maybe there's some reason for this I don't know about, although I couldn't find one Googling. But superficially it looks fixed as hell.

[SwoopAE]

Yeah I made some posts about Fedor being -230 or whatever a while back and he's like -1200 now

[ChrisV]

Interesting that there's speculation that this is Fedor's last fight. No reason to hide the fix if it's your last fight anyway. Doesn't get a lot more blatant than betting the line down to -1200.

[SwoopAE]

**** Fedor and his ****ty management.

If he's willing to accept a fix here then who knows what happened with his other fights in pride.

If he wouldn't come to the UFC to fight the best **** him.

JDS and Cain will be the two greatest HWs of all time anyway in a few years.

[SwoopAE]

On the surface, Rizzo is actually a tempting bet at +800 or whatever given Fedor's decline. Too high a chance the fight's fixed to touch it though. I never thought i'd say that about an MMA fight in a 'major' organisation (but lol at M1 being major I guess)

Hope Rizzo knocks him out. I was so happy when Werdum tapped Fedor. Idk why but something about him has always rubbed me the wrong way a bit. Maybe it's his pride fanboy fanbase, the same ones that rave about Shogun being the greatest LHW of all time constantly.

If JDS beats Cain a second time and then takes out Cormier, he'll be getting very close to laying claim to best HW ever.

[just_mo]

Originally Posted by Machinehead

I don't see Shogun deteriorating at all. What are you basing that on? He looked as durable as humanly possible last time out.

Shogun is gonna destroy Vera. The only scary part about Shogun is he could walk into the fight with serious injuries since he never pulls out of fights. Other than that Vera doesn't have much of a chance.

I'm basing it on how slow he looked the last like 3 times he stepped into the cage.

[DannyOcean_]

The fedor situation:

to be fair, I'm pretty sure it was only a single retarded book that opened at the just-silly line of -230, which makes the graph look crazy. I believe no other book ever had that line because Rizzo sucks, the fight is in russia and in M1.

[Gary Wise]

Originally Posted by just_mo

I'm basing it on how slow he looked the last like 3 times he stepped into the cage.

Ddi you not see rounds 4 and 5 of the hendo match?

[just_mo]

Did YOU not see that fight? Yes he showed strong will and chin.

But his movement was awful, if Hendo is landing on you with regularity, that's really, really bad.

[Machinehead]

Bisping has good movement and Hendo landed repeatedly. Fedor too.