Back in January you thought the Chael-Tito fight was fixed.

Of course in these "legends" fights it's hard to tell what's a fix, what's broken old men being just plain bad / fighting like they don't care because they're just happy to be getting a payday.

did this fight go under 1.5 rounds

Charles Byrd/Randall Wallace ?

i thought it did, but my bet was graded a loss

Says r2 2:03 everywhere I can find so it should be a win. Contact the book and tell them asap as the longer you leave it the less chance you have of fixing their mistake.

216 gets Ferguson vs Lee for the interim belt, it's ridiculous that Khabib can't stay healthy and make weight but this works too, winner gets Conor if he decides to come back to MMA post-Floyd and if he doesn't they can strip him of the belt and the winner can become the real champ and defend against Khabib when he's healed up

I'm not very excited for 215, the womens fight could be interesting but MM stomping Borg (who I like, but I doubt Borg can hold him down for 3/5 rounds and thats what itll take) seems boring. Ngannou vs JDS is interesting but i'm a bit less hyped after how bad JDS looked against Miocic. He's definitely lost a step so either he beats Ngannou and we lose a prospect or the win doesn't mean quite as much (although it's still a legit win vs a top 5 guy) if Ngannou wins. I might get on RDA who seems like the exact type of well rounded pressure fighter that Magny struggles against and i'm tempted by Stephens against post-USADA Melendez but not sure about it there.

Pedro vs Latifi is probably one of the most exciting fights on the card, should end in an exciting KO usually and hoping that Pedro is legit.

Branch vs Rockhold card looks pretty weak on paper, I mean I was relatively high on Branch until I wasn't, he's going to get utterly demolished by Rockhold and I can't stand Rockhold. I guess it's a rebuilding fight.

I'm actually pretty hyped for Struve vs Volkov and i'll be getting on Struve as a small dog, fight could go either way but i've thought Volkov was overrated for years and Struve underrated. Granted Struve DID have that awful stretch where he struggled with heart condition/mindset issues but hopefully that's behind him. I think it depends which Struve shows up whether he dominates Volkov or gets knocked out.

216 could be decent if it gets a second title fight, i'll enjoy Will Brooks kicking Nik Lentz's ass because Lentz is a piece of **** human being, so that should be fun. Ferguson vs Lee will be awesome if it's competitive and Dariush/Dunham and Green/Vannata too. On paper it has a bunch of entertaining fights

217 is the supercard we deserve though. Bisping/GSP, the Cody/TJ grudge match for the title and Joanna/Rose all on one card will be insane if we can keep everyone healthy and have all 3 fights on the card.

Sadly the Australia event in November is Hunt vs random eastern european HW whose name I recognise but whose face I couldn't pick out of a line up and random australian cans vs random non australian cans for the rest of the card like usual.

The UFC had better give us Whittaker vs Bisping or GSP in a stadium here or at least Whittaker's first title defense once he wins the belt here. I mean, we only set the all time UFC attendance record the last time they held a stadium card here (granted it had Rousey headlining). Even if it's not the unification fight, if Whittaker wins the belt a title defense against whoever is on the best streak at the time out would sell out a stadium here. I mean yeah, Mark Hunt is fun to watch but it's not really a legitimate card when the co-main event will be 'random #57 ranked australian vs random #62 ranked non australian'

It'll be interesting who we see on the 218 and 219 cards to round out the year, I guess Woodley should be healthy enough to fight one more time against Lawler while we have say Wonderboy vs Masvidal for #1 contender (except I guess if WB and Woodley both win we're not seeing that a third time and they can give a shot to someone else if that happens).

They should make Covington vs Maia at some point too and rankings wise it makes sense. Give Maia a guy whose main strength is top position grappling who isn't afraid to take him down and hope it doesn't become a sloppy kickboxing bout would be cool.

I guess by the end of the year we should get Woodley/Lawler 2, Stipe vs either Cain or Ngannou or worst case an Overeem rematch, hopefully Conor vs the LW interim winner on 219 (11 weeks or so should be okay for a red panty night for the winner if Conor wants to come back as long as they don't take too much damage in a war) and we should have a Jon Jones title defense in time for the end of the year too if he wants to stay active, either Gustafsson or Oezdemir is fine. Or the Lesnar superfight at HW if Lesnar is serious about returning although he'd need to re-enter the testing pool soon to make that possible. Holloway vs Edgar should happen on 218 or 219 as well, i'd say 217 with Edgar being from NJ but it looks like that card already has three title fights probably unless one falls through. Cyborg vs Zingano or Holm or whoever could happen by the end of the year too so we should have at least 2 title fights for both 218 and 219 too.

One of the big pluses about having so many divisions now is that most numbered events really should have 2-3 title fights now. For now it looks like 217's our only super card left this year but of course that'll definitely change if Conor is good for a December return after losing to Floyd if he wants to come back to MMA and not ride off into the sunset with his pile of money.

Pretty hyped for 217. Hoping next summer's July card is a supercard as the last big event I went to live was 162 it's been a long time.

Does anyone believe Conor will go back to UFC? It just has to feel so awkward making +100 millions a fight to 5-10 millions (which will probably be his new fight pay).

Going to be interesting. Because he knows his worth and if the fight with Floyd is even slightly competitive his stock goes up.

I hope he does because there are lots of interesting fights for him at 155. If Floyd smokes him which if likely I don't think his ego would let that be his last fight.

A superfight with GSP probably makes the most sense. If GSP doesn't get knocked out by Bisping.

found it, 100% it was a fixed fight,

It was a comedy fight, a Pantomime.

it was the Nate Diaz vs Michael Johnson fight,
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...ostcount=33496

watch it and consider what you are watching.. be real about it..

Fight was a complete Joke, a complete farce.

They must have decided to run it to the distance, with a goes the distance bet some place for huge sums
Some one printed money from that fix

Its fine, it is what it is but dont try to explain to me that was a real fight because I know what I am looking at after several years.
That was not a fight between those two guys.

Can you imagine a real fight between Diaz and Johnson what it would actually look look...
now watch the fight.. rds 2, rds 3 for example.

half arsed leg kicks, half arsed punches, both SUPER fit.. and you are seeing that kind of dynamic in the middle of the cage.

lol, yeah oh rly...

was patty cake patty cake pantomime.


some one tucked away a couple of hundred thou each right there.


lol look at the "highlights",

They are scared to death they are actually going to hit each other..lol..

look at it for ffs..





If that looks legit to you, you dont know any thing about what professional mma fighters do in the cage.

must have been underground money on the goes the distance, and they are both scared for their lives to make it even look even slightly real with some shots.


take some balls to go into the cage and pull a stunt like that, they must have practised together a hell of a lot,


Edit: Just playing it back, its like watching two school girls throwing one thousands punches, and none lands.. its like magic!!

Those are two of the most accurate lethal pressure killers in the cage... and then you watch that and you see two guys that cant hit each other for 15 minutes as if they have never even been in a fight and they are using their limbs for the first time.


That is the most fixed fight I have seen, its not even remotely legit to my eye, like not even 5% of me believes that was a straight fight. Some times the quality of the play acting done during it really drops to very low levels and it is laughable, some times you could make even a very slight argument it is real,

In the run up to that fight, they were playing up to the cameras back stage as if they were all angry at each other and going to smash the living sht out of each other..

what are those body height push punches by Johnson for example.. the *** is that.

No idea why I bet the over 2.5, if I was to bet it today I would consider one would come out on top by brutality.


pantomime

Double edit: How many winging punches can some one throw and not land..lolz

It was indeed. BM graded mine as a win.

Yeah agree, although if he somehow wins or has a competitive fight, he might even stick around in Boxing.

Him just to stop fighting and retiring? I don't see that happen.

Conor is still young and loves to fight and has HUGE ambitions, he wants to become a billionaire and surpass the likes of Mayweather. He also cares about his legacy and wants to be considered the GOAT.

I think he will fight in the UFC again, and the UFC will do everything they can to please him, including paying him a LOT more. The UFC could basically give him a huge cut of the PPV or even some equity in the company, his value is insane and they recognize that. They could pay him more like the boxing model or along the same type of deal as this fight for his future fights. Heck they could even break even on his fights and still benefit from it, since he helps the sport and the UFC grow as a whole.

Erm.. what?!?

In Diaz and Johnson you're talking about guys who have a combined 40 fights in the UFC (including the fight in question, and the ones that have happened since). 20 of those fights have ended in decision. Decision is the most common outcome, win or lose, for both fighters in their UFC fights.

For Nate it's close (10 dec, 9 sub, 4 KO). For Johnson though it's really not (10 dec, 4 KO, 3 sub).

Both guys are tough, but neither is exactly a regular home run hitter. So how is that fight going the distance, especially in a three-round fight, a surprising outcome? And of all the low-energy decision fights there's been over the years, how do you decide that this is the one that was rigged?!? Why not, say, Rashad v Little Nog?

Yeah and Johnson was on route for a title shot after that fight.

Weird choice for one that you think was fixed.

that's what happens when you don't pay fighters properly.

I cant even find a legit 3 to 5 seconds in the whole fight, 99% of the exchanges are pulled punches, winged to miss. pushed body shots. no follow ups, no intention to hurt the other fighter other than one punch efforts or sloppy kicks, when there is a connection there is a back off. And this is what we know as UFC...?

And you guys have been following along to how many fights and this fight is legit to you?

Every one is killing each other and this is MJ and Nate?
The fight is a demonstration, there is no actual fight in the whole fight. Energy level declarations has got nothing to do with it, this is actually a high energy output "fight".

Its my advantage that others are unable to see what is so obvious to my trained eye, and id put forward I know a little bit about watching MMA fighters.

If you cant see it, that's fine, don't worry about it, maybe I'm wrong and its my error, remember it like that :-)

It was an agreed fight to go the distance, major money must have been on it because both did very well not to hurt the other fighter..

Impressive dance by both fighters but not a fight, there is no fight in that fight, its a spectacle.

If these two fought legitimately it would be one of the best match ups, they are both killers.

In the book Mastery by Robert Greene:
it says, (in short).

You are meant to train, and become good at some thing, then a master.
Once a master you are meant to find an ever smaller niche, with specialised skills until you are the only one. (commanding power++ / money ++ ) etc.

Once he fights Mayweather, he is going to be further long that path come what may.

What is not going to happen with Conor is the ordinary, he is cross disciplined trained, a mindful achiever.

The ideal is that Conor becomes a brand for good, that once the brash is no longer required he digs into himself and brings even more of himself out to the world, because he is a special person and there is a lot of good he can do outside of the ring /cage.

Character goes a long way...

I don't remember much about Diaz-Johnson, but it did win Fight of the Night.

I think it is wrong for me to jump to a conclusion that untoward gambling was made on the fight, but I'm not sure if that matters regarding the main conjecture about it.

Ask yourself with these two killers, with such a "back and forth fight".

- When did you see any actual serious blows landed.
- Other than "small ball" back and forth where was the actual fight, point to a 3,5, or 10 second progression in the fight when you were on the edge of your seat and you could clearly see one fighter was at least attempting to dominate the other fighter, or win, get a knock out etc.

We know what these fighters are capable of, in particular look at what Diaz did with conor for example.

There was some agreement made before this fight, its obvious and understandable.

These guys if they fought for the tittle for example (real fight), they would murder each other, little time for show boating and telegraphing punches.

How many punches missed in this fight, the actual stats are misleading and nothing untoward but watching the fight is another story.

When did any thing "click" or make contact in the fight, and be followed up. they were scared to actually hurt each other, where was any adaption, it was a play by numbers fight, impressive gym/sparing work nothing more.

I have way to much respect for both fighters to look at that fight and call it a legitimate outing by either fighter.

It was s spectacle demo fight, it took a huge amount of skill to do what they did that night, it is what it is, if you can watch the fight and believe it as real then good luck in your future mma betting because you have no clue.

if you have 100 exchanges, and all seem to miss, or the range is wrong, or they bounce off each other, or there are push punches, bad orientation, overly week shots, failure to capitalize.


Pay the fighters what they are worth and that kind of sht wont happen again, they got peanuts (20k) or some thing.

Erm... look back at their UFC results that I quoted earlier. Diaz and Johnson are NOT "killers". Especially not Johnson, and especially not on the feet in either case. Against UFC level competition they both go to decision a lot.

And again, I have to ask - how do you choose this fight as the one that was "rigged to go to decision" and not, say, Rashad and Little Nog playing patty-cake for three rounds, or Anderson Silva simply not engaging with a badly hurt Demian Maia for the last two rounds of their fight?

Oh wow 217 is shaping up to be one of the best cards of all time, Wonderboy vs Masvidal added

Assuming Joanna v Rose is added we already have a main card of

Bisping vs GSP
Cody vs TJ
Joanna vs Rose
Masvidal vs Wonderboy
+1 fight

Those are 4 of the top 10 possible fights remaining this year imo plus at least 3 of the other fights are relevant and the card is nowhere near done only 8 fights announced so we should get another 3-5 at least

I hope Lawler beats Woodley in the rematch (although not convinced he will) so that we can get Lawler vs the Wonderboy/Masvidal winner in a 5 round war for the belt

+1

If Woodley beats Lawler and Thompson beats Masvidal, we may end up seeing Magny or Covington fighting for the title. LOL.

EDIT: Has Lawler actually indicated he wants the Woodley rematch?

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Lawler or Cowboy should fight Maia as it solves the issue of Thompson beating Masvidal. Its a low threat fight for them and a likely win if they are aggresive.

GSP is never fighting at 170 unless its Nate or Conor.

Im down for cerrone maia. Not sure cerrone can keep him off his back. Gets one of them back on track.

Also I don't see why gsp wouldn't fight for the 170 belt unless he beats bisping and wants to stay at 185 permanently. At least two money fights for gsp at 170 for the belt and a super fight with conor if he comes back to mma. Plus either Diaz brother.

I watched that fight and thought it was a great fight, I think you are honestly just seeing ghosts. It does not looked fixed at all. For the record they both kick like amateurs but they both box like pro's. That's why their kicks look like that. But look how they are swinging to hurt each other. Does not look fixed at all. Look how Diaz hurt Johnson and almost finished him. Look at Nate's 1-2 combo, many thought it was Nate's best performance of his career, he looked really good in that fight!

They are both not stupid you say they don't want to hit each other, you have to remember that they don't want to get finished either, so in out, avoid, defense etc is all part of the game. I really don't see what you are saying though.

Also about the fight going the distance, you have to remember that Nate has only been finished 1 time, he also not a KO artist. While Michael does have ko's, he'll have a hard time ko'ing Nate, so this fight going the distance is no surprise at all.

Conor v Nate first fight, he only finished him and went for it because he stunned Conor. Most if not all fighters fight this way, like a chess game. Nobody brawls anymore, they all spar in there. There's so many fights I've seen were it simply just looks like a sparring match, like nobody really gives a toss if they win or lose but that's a different discussion imo, you are saying it's rigged and I just don't see that.

I do agree that a lot of fights/fighters don't fight to the fulllest and just spar and fight just enough to make it look competitive (then again that might just be my untrained eye, in fact I'm almost certain) I think other factors come into play, they are not going to go full war mode just for some people's satisfaction am I right? They have things to worry about, longevity, not getting killed in there, injuries pre and post fight etc.

Or are you talking about the 2nd fight? I mean what did Diaz do in there? You could argue that that fight was fixed to go to the judges too. Diaz was not throwing much at all.

I use to play pool competitively and I remember that in training and just playing for fun you can play a lot more aggressive, play a lot more shots you just can't take in a professional match, in a pro match you have to play the percentage shot and a lot of times that just means not playing the offensive shot but rather a dull defensive shot. I think that's what we see with MMA as well, though I could be wrong.

Also on another note does anybody give Conor a chance vs Mayweather? I often hear boxers say it's a completely different sports and they'll throw in analogies like what if Coby Bryant boxed Tyson etc. But I think it's a lot closer to what if Efren Reyes "the magician" played Ronnie O Sullivan in a snooker match. Yes Efren should lose as he is a pool player but he is special, he is the best pool player ever, he can play snooker, just like Conor can box.

repost from above.

who ever made that video is ****ing ******ed

JDS out of the Ngannou fight due to potential USADA violation

Hopefully they find Ngannou a ranked opponent on short notice