I'd like to see Lewis fight the winner of Reem and Hunt.

tbh the fight I'd love to see is Hunt vs. Lewis. 2 fireplugs going at it. Hunt via KO though would be the end of it though.

As Swoop said it's truly amazing how had Browne's career has gone under Edmond. How did he lose that fight? Seriously how can u lose that fight?

Give him so cred though lads. He fought a tough Nelson and brawled with him. He took some big shots vs him, kid got heart. I havn't seen this one yet but seems like he has some determination in him and that goes along way in the fight business.

Granted he's not the smartest cat on the block nor the guy with lots of talent, he does get the job done. What he lacks in talent, he makes up with heart and determination.

Looks like I fully under-estimated Browne by the looks of things, I really thought it would be an easy one for Lewis.

You guys think, Browne just needs more time without Edmond?

At least the fight started round 2 and over 1½ cashed in that main event!

That was the best post-fight interview ever, from saying he needed to defecate, then calling out Browne for being a woman beater to asking where Ronda Rousey's fine ass is at then saying he needed some time off to recover from training and all the sex he is getting, lol.

I guess that depends what his goals are.

If he wants to start winning fights again then yeah, he obv needs to move to a competent coach because he's clearly not much good at game planning on his own.

If his #1 goal in life is to stay with Rousey and enjoy the fruits of her success though... he's probably better off staying where he is and keeping on losing fights.

Browne did move out to a new camp this time and Edmund only was there sporadically during this camp. So I'm not sure we can attribute his losing this fight to Edmund. I also think people are being too harsh on Browne, I'm not sure what he's done to deserve this negative backlash.

Needed Browne to finish it in r3 or 4 for a huge lotto ticket

I think Browne could still be a contender, he looked great in r1, I'm hoping he doesn't get cut because I think he's still got a lot of value left in him.

They should definitely not cut Browne, and I'm pretty sure he's not getting cut (one of the perks being Rouseys bf, as well as his salary not being too high). He's young in HW terms and worst case scenario, he can act as a gate keeper for up and comers.

Just give Browne a can next if he loses that then sure he's done. You can't cut him when it's a 3 loss streak and 2 are ex champs. If he fights some guy who is 1-2 in the ufc next and loses though lot

I'm fine with Lewis v hunt or Reem winner next

Give him 2 cans, if he loses both of them, then yeah. This is still HW and everybody has a punchers chance. Beside, it's not exactly like HW is filled with up and comers who can take Brownes place.

The only reason why UFC would cut a gate keeper like Browne is if he is getting paid too much and is unknown. Browne is neither, he's bf of Ronda and I would figure his paycheck is around 70-120 K. And that's fine for a HW. He's also in exciting fights and rarely goes to decision.

Paddy had a line for Cub Swanson yesterday gone now. was -250

Should have loaded up.

Tyron Woodley at +110 seems like a really solid bet. I'm surprised to see he's even the under.

just watched the Browne Lewis fight.

in all honesty, leaving betting to the side and even just as a possible fan of either fighter.

that kind of performance is an insult to MMA.

I never bet this fight specifically because my gut told me it was this much of a *** toss up, zero read to bet it and I wanted to.

back to the point of my post.

that kind of performance in the cage is not the reason these guys traine to the over the top level they do.


I mean as a part of MMA training don't they spefically train, what do I do if the fighter is... and then insert every possible type of hurt a fighter can be and then have the optimum means to attack a hurt fighter?

I said this in the thread before, if you smash some one up really badly why in the world do these fighters rush in and let their bodys get locked up and it just become a mash up with no possibility of further hurtful and fight ending blows to get landed.


I don't mean to under estimate just how fit strong and talented these guys are but the truth of it is that they are no.

if you are a big strong guy growing up and you have one third the capability of brain as DK YOO for example, you would be a millionaire. conor MacGregor if you like it or not is a far example of the point I am making but for Christ sake you are meant to be in the top ten of the whole wide world and you get Lewis in that state and you cant finish, you cant circle off the cage.

There are people out there most likely that shipped large bets on Brown.

Losing money on that fight is so frustrating I had to post and I never even bet the fight, only fight I agreed in principle to bet was the Cezar Ferreira vs Elias Theodorou: Over 1.5 rounds but never even bet that.

when betting MMA, feel the bet, know the bet is a solid play and load up 3,4,5 units.



stupid arse way to lose a fight

Issue with woodley is he has to land a td or a big shot to win a round and wonderboy has a great chin. I'm big on wonderboy both guys can finish but unless woodley lands takedowns at will he doesn't have a real path to a decision last fight was sort of best case for him and he still only won 2 rounds. Wonderboy is just too good to ever lose 3 rounds standing

Couldn't Woodley attempt to wrestle more than he did in the 1st fight? I saw an interview they asked him why he didn't wrestle more and he said he didn't have a good answer for that.

At the very least, his wrestling does seem to neutralize Thompson's kicks but I think he'll try to take it to the ground more than he did in the first fight.

yes woodley all the way

He could but even if wb stops throwing kicks he has a boxing edge especially if he pushes forward throwing volume and backing woodley into the cage woodley is not good when he's backing up

I've spent the past week working on learning to code. Hopefully combining that skill with my experience with statistics will one day result in a working model for MMA predictions.

The result so far is a very stupid model that is giving the following predictions:
- Woodley as a very slight favorite against Thompson
- Ferguson as a small favorite over Khabib
- Darren Elkins as a surprisingly large favorite over Mirsad Bektic.

It also thinks there is value in taking Gastelum @ -309 (pinnacle line right now), and wants to bet Dariush @ +158 (SportBet).

I'm considering betting with the model (even though it's terrible) until I have version 2.0 ready. Would be neat to one day look back on my betting record and see how it changed over the model iterations.

Yes, yes you should have

If it goes back up i'd snap take -300 in a heartbeat for 5+ units and anything better than -500 for a unit Cub is not going to lose to Artem bar punchers chance.

@maglame not a fan of any of those bets although if Bektic is overrated/rusty after a layoff and the price is right Elkins has been literally the most profitable fighter to bet on over his UFC tenure from memory (I saw some stat on it a while back). Problem is he's a gatekeeper to the elite (limited physical skills but great gameplanning and fight IQ, less than good tattoo IQ) and Bektic has long been touted as an elite prospect and he did beat Chas Skelly who has since proven to be legit.

I'd probably bet Gastelum -309 vs Belfort in the US, in Brazil it's a bit more iffy due to homecrowd judging (not that itll go to decision often) and the possibility that Belfort is roiding again if it's his last fight which there's always a chance it will be at this stage, plus of course Belfort has a good puncher's chance against anyone so he's not the best guy to fade when he's a big dog.

I'd be surprised if Elkins/Bektic opens with either guy as a big favourite, if either is a substantial dog i'll take them.

No way in hell is Ferguson a favourite over Khabib, imo the -200ish line seems about right, I think Khabib wins about two thirds or so and I wouldn't be shocked if they fight more than one over the course of their careers so we may get to see it a second time in the future if both guys remain at the elite level for a few years.

Woodley vs Wonderboy is an interesting one, you can make a case both ways as to who is more likely to improve over their last performance which was a correctly scored draw imo, I think Wonderboy is a -150ish fav personally in the rematch and already have 3u on him at -124 and I will add more if I can get close to evens at any stage.

I'm thinking about taking Khabib at the -185ish available but still holding off for now (I think the true price is -200ish). If I can get -175 at any stage i'll pull the trigger for a decent amount, if it stays where it is i'll probably bet small and maybe look at the Khabib -3.5 pts and Khabib UD lines to see if either is appealing enough

Has Khabib taken everybody down he's faced. I have a hard time believing Ferguson is just going to let him do whatever. Tony is a different animal compared to Johnson, he got a lot of heart.

Khabib has taken everyone down, the only fighter he had trouble taking down was Gleison Tibau. But Fergusons TDD is not as good as Tibau's so I do see Khabib taking him down at will.

Everyone except Tibau and he was a lot greener then and Tibau was on steroids and is HUGE for LW and noted for his amazing TDD (Ferguson is way more talented than Tibau but has nowhere near as good TDD, Danny Castillo almost took him down at will etc)

Stylistically it's a nightmare for Ferguson, if it was a fight to the finish it's close (Khabib can sub him from top, Tony can get a darce or a TKO) but if it's a decision Khabib wins over 90% of the time and Khabib WILL land takedowns on Ferguson if he isn't knocked out before he shoots for a takedown, which is going to happen within the first minute or two.

The next few months of MMA should be amazing if everyone stays healthy, the UFC could completely stack 211 to 213 with 3 title fights a pop and not break a sweat (211 has two already and could add say Nunes vs Shevchenko 2) then 212 has Aldo vs Holloway and they could add Bisping vs GSP/Romero and MM vs Reis/Benavidez and then 213 should have Conor vs 209 winner assuming he Mayweather thing doesn't happen, TJ vs Cody assuming they make it co-main rather than the TUF Finale headliner and tbh it's too big for a TUF finale card when it's July fight week in Vegas and say GDR vs Holm 2 or Cyborg if her hands fine, By 214 the WW winner at 209 should be ready to defend vs Maia or GSP, and by 215 we should see Jones return vs the 210 winner as from memory his suspension will be over by then. In the meantime have guys like Cerrone/Lewis/Edgar/Cruz headline USA fight nights, guys like Gustafsson/Mousasi/Struve headline in Europe and guys like Whittaker/Hunt in Australia or DHK/Choi in Korea

Kelvin Gastelum has never been finished and he has the excellent body type for absoring punishment, short neck, stocky build and he moves surprisingly fluid. Vitor is quite awful in the latter rounds and I see Kelvin steamrolling Vitor.

Vitor not the same guy he once was.

So you guys agree that once Khabib has him on the ground, he will dominate him? Tony will be unable to get back up?

If this fight is somewhat competitive, and there's a good amount of stand up, I don't see this being the cakewalk you guys seems to think it will be. Am I the only 1 to see that Tony can and probable will make Khabib work harder than any other fighter has done.

I really don't see it, I think Tony might win this. He can out point him too, even KO him in my opinion.