Yeah i'm tempted to fire Floyd, and i'm not really a fan of his at all.

followed these guys since back in the day when they were on you tube.

http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web...d=63796&cmd=tc

great little show, you can argue about their views but its boxing talk nice.

illman05, nice post, really hope you stick around and post more about the fight.
Edit, flloyd made southpaw new York quit, too tidy in the pocket.

Great post, Illman. Agree 100% that FMJ at 2/1 or less is free money.

Some people aren't fans of Floyd, but I posit there are reasons other than his talent, boxing/business intelligence, and work ethic that are admirable(not including the arrests, obv). He has experienced untold hardships from his father, and potentially his uncle, his whole life growing up. It obviously has affected him. I truly HATE his father. This is the man that said that De La Hoya would beat his son because he was training De La Hoya for the fight and not his son. He even tried to fight his son in the past(probably did a lot more too before the cameras were on them). Floyd's dad is a POS. Floyd has forgiven him and moved forward. Tough thing to do...

Floyd Jr. does, however, seem to truly love his children and he takes great care of them. He doesn't drink/do drugs(one of the reasons he has always been on top). I wonder what Mike Tyson's, Zab Judah's, Pernell Whitaker(The p4p king beforfe his loss to De La Hoya), and Kelly Pavlik's careers would have looked like if they hadn't done drugs. More so Tyson, Judah, and Whitaker but i digress...

Mayweather paid for Genaro Hernandez's funeral but wanted to keep it quiet. The family promulgated that Floyd paid for it...not Floyd. What other altruistic, magnanimous things has Floyd done that we don't know about? I'm sure there are more.

People say Floyd runs around and doesn't engage fighters in the ring...like walterwhite has said. That is so far from true I thought people had completely stopped making that argument. Whenever I see in the comments section of boxing forums and nescient fans say things like "Runweather" or "Scaredweather" I laugh so hard. Show me one of his recent fights where he hasn't fought in the pocket. Of course he doesn't constantly engage and trade. Why would he? He is faster and more refined than all of his opponents and he would be throwing his advantage away. Not smart. He picks and chooses his spots, but he has stood toe to toe with every single one of his opponents. Remember when they said Hatton would break his ribs if he stood toe to toe. Remember what they said would happen if he stood toe to toe with Alvarez. Remember what they said about Maidana? lolol.

I haven't seen the hate for Guillermo Rigondeaux for being a master pugilist that takes few to no risks in the ring. His style is very comparable to Floyd's. He might be slightly faster and technically superior to Floyd. It's hard to say because when you re-watch Floyd's old fights at the lighter divisions, he definitely was faster and more aggressive than he has been at 154. If Rigondeaux went up a few divisions would he be as fast? Probably not. I also think there are more risks at 154, fighters are stronger and have more KO power. That is why Floyd takes more risks now than he did during his younger days. He hasn't lost much speed at all. Rigondeaux got caught with the Donaire's(hardest hitter in the division) best punch and it took him to the count of 4 believe to get up and continue dominating Donaire. If Floyd messes around and gets caught with the best punch of hardest hitter in his division it could be night, night. And Floyd is not ready to go night, night. Alright, alright, alright.(Kevin Hart reference)

Floyd has a super chin, and most people aren't discussing it. He has been hit a lot in the past, and he battles through it. He has been hit with some big punches by Judah, Hatton, José Luis Castillo, Cotto, and Mosley. He took them in stride, and got the job done each time. Pac's chin on the other hand...will be on Floyd's left hand, and then on the other hand. lol? I tried...

People hate on Floyd and not Rigondeaux because Floyd is more popular. People love to hate the best or second best of every sport because I feel people feel some kind of pleasure from it. It is a sick form of schadenfreude. I will never understand it. Here is a list of famous people that I believe receive an overwhelming amount of hate because of the fame and accomplishments they have garnered: Tiger Woods, Kobe, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Mayweather, Lebron, hell even Bieber. Even Obama for that matter. Why not the mass hate from Bush from those people? Is it because the media didn't constantly bash Bush, so people weren't constantly inundated with hate so people don't blindly reverberate it? Yup.

If you hate people on the list, you probably have a greater dislike of them because others around you hate them, too. The hate is constantly publicized, televised, and glamorized and you're perpetuating it wether you realize it or not. I believe this hate helps people fit in, and establishes their identity in a group setting. Obv some of the hate is deserved(criminal activity), but most of it is nonsense.

That is why Floyd opted for VILLAIN. The media wasn't going to cast him as a HERO, so he took matters into his own hands. Floyd definitely deserves criticism for the way he has treated women. No doubt about that.

Andre Ward better get hip. He isn't going to be a HERO any time soon. If he wants to become a top attraction, he needs to be proactive like Floyd was. He should be a household name already, and he definitely should be by the end of his career. If he doesn't do something to garner attention he could end up having the popularity Calzaghe did over here in the US(not much at all). Calzaghe should have been a household name here, too. Calzaghe was a superstar in his country of origin at least. Roy Jones was flashy and super-confident and that helped him garner attention. Ward better use examples of other boxers like him(wink, wink) if he wants to be a superstar. He won't naturally be made a superstar by the media(wink, wink).

Roy Jones Jr. had more RAW talent than any fighter on earth. Maybe not Tyson, but those two had the most talent naturally. That is why when Roy Jones came done from Heavyweight and lost his natural talent advantage, he started to lose. He didn't have the refined skill of an elite boxer....he had always relied on natural talent. Floyd has both, and that is why he has been the KING of boxing. If you don't realize/admire what this man has done in the ring, then a great big lol to you from me.

I think it would be Hugely +EV to bet floyd at -1000 and I would definitely have at least a few grand on the fight if those were the best odds I could find.

in the fifth paragraph above I meant to say Floyd takes less risks now then he did before. The risk reward factor has gone down. He could get KO'd. That is why he is more cautious in the ring now...not because he has lost speed due to age. Everyone should lose some speed as they move up in weight classes. Floyd lost some speed when he first went up to 154, but he has stayed at that same speed and hasn't shown any signs of fading. He has realized that he shouldn't be taking as many risks in the ring. This factor may cause some people to believe he has slowed...but he hasn't...

Most fans think boxing means stand in the middle of the ring and punch each other till someone drops.

I keep having flashbacks of pernel Whitaker versus chavez

I like your boxing observations though.

lol some of you guys are hilarious. you think floyd at -1000 is HUGELY +EV? Pinny has him at -184 right now taking mid 5 figures. Are you guys all bluffing? Or waiting to pounce? Cuz the number has done nothing but come down.

go manny

manny to good imo

this is a lot of dumb words strung together in one post

pinny is a bookmaker not a bet maker. the asian and mexican idiots are lumping on pacman just like they lumped on canelo to push him into 5/2 before he lost 11 rounds to the best ever.

BOXING - MAY 02
MGM GRAND GARDEN ARENA - LAS VEGAS, NAVADA SAT, MAY 2ND - 8:00PM - WELTERWEIGHT - 12 ROUNDS
>>>BETS WILL TAKE ACTION AS LONG AS THE FIGHT TAKES PLACE IN 2015<<<
8:00 PM
MANNY PACQUIAO 11.5 -305 +164
FLOYD MAYWEATHER JR 11.5 +255 -193

Currently on Bookmaker. 20k max. Rooting hard for Manny, betting hard on Money.

No it would be a bad idea to take pbf at -1000 but I think he has value at -400

lol @ Roger Clemens and Poogs. GL with your Manny bets. 8)

thanks for sharing!

yep youre right, definitely the 'asian and mexican idiots' who are REALLY behind the pinnacle line movements. Which, you know, kind of run the entire sports betting market. Sound argument.

Ill give you -399 for as much as you want.

You were pretty soundly mocked here a few months ago for suggesting that a NFL conference game was off-market by like 7 points or something. Same logic applies here. Youre saying -400 would be a good bet on a high profile event that is currently sitting at -170ish. That means you think the true line is what, -700? Dont you see how inane that is?


I actually took some flloyd at -190 and -180 right when it came out, thinking the price was too low. But the market has since rejected my bet which makes me re think my position. If you guys think youre smarter than the world, then by all means go for it. Youre wrong though.

lol

I got Floyd -275, but I don't know much about Boxing.

Why would I bet with you for -399 when I can get under 200 online. also books do occasionally gamble. The first pats gmen sb would be a prime example. You're right though Vegas would never be 7 points off with their true line

Obviously nobody is gonna give away or share such a tool but do models exist that can find the true line in boxing matches? Seems to me a boxing model would be much more difficult to make then say a NFL model

Fact is a lot of hate money is coming in versus pbf.

self hate

Does anyone here disagree that reflexes are the single most important factor in a boxing match?

Just seems like with Floyd his next opponent is always gonna be the one to put him in his place but he just keeps rolling along. He'll lose someday. Like every other boxer he'll stick around to long. Just don't think that day will be may 2nd.