Who said no one here keeps accurate records? That's your misunderstanding. I just asked you if YOU keep accurate records since you are challenging everyone else. I'm assuming you must do so if you're making a big point of it right?

But in actuality, you've never even posted a single combat sports bet here to my knowledge, so maybe there are no records to keep. At least with me and a few of the other regulars here you can read our posts with a detailed list of bets pre-fight plus late or live bets added during the cards with the risk and odds and potential payouts listed. But you have posted absolutely nothing, right? So what position does that put you in to challenge anyone? Just playing Devil's Advocate?

I've even gone so far as to pretty consistently post results summaries with my net profit or loss for most of the past couple of years, even color coordinated it red and green to make it easy to read. And believe me, it's a pain in the ass to do that for multiple cards every week, especially now that I'm wagering at a few different sportsbooks and not just betting in dollars but also more often lately with Bitcoin. It's a time consuming and tedious process, but I do it for my own private spreadsheets to the penny or to the eight decimal place BTC so I know where I'm at.

I'm a bit behind this month with making those long ass detailed and color coordinated summaries since I was out of town on business for at least one week this month. But I have my results calculated to the exact penny or BTC in any case.

My summarized results for 2017 so far- I've posted pretty much all my MMA and kickboxing bets here in the thread, except for the boxing wagers which I posted under my same user name on multiple forums elsewhere:

UFC 103 $435.90
UFC on Fox 23 -$236.75 and +0.022 BTC
Bellator 170 $755.00 and -0.010 BTC (Thanks Tito!)
Bellator 171 -$35.54 and +0.42193 BTC
Invicta FC 21 $300.00 and + 0.18819 BTC
LFA 2 -$50.00
Titan FC 43 $40.00
Glory 37 -$10.00 and +0.1188 BTC
Lara vs Formeman +0.053 BTC
Jack vs DeGale $651.00 and -0.029 BTC
Frampton vs Santa Cruz II $334.00 and +0.223 BTC
Miura vs Roman $100.00

So for 2017 so far I'm at +$2,303.61 and +1.07802000 BTC which is worth about $995 at today's Coinbase rate.

I'm just a recreational bettor who does this for fun, not a tout or advocating that anyone tail me. I've got nothing to prove to anyone really, but I do my best to be transparent with other MMA bettors. Any posters who have been reading the thread for a while can make up their own mind if they want to listen to random **** talkers who never bothered to post a single bet.

Jim please follow above protocol and ill be very interested to see how you do going forward...

To the douche that called out Balla for his Nate pick... why didn't you also quote his assessment that came 100% accurate when he said Masvidal was going to box the chit out of Cerrone. That pick he got the outcome right and the exact method to victory right.

There are successful betters itt. I'm about break even I'd guess but Jim is way up and so are some others.


How about an experiment. Everyone post all bets made prior to each card for the next 3 UFC's and see how we make out.

Jimm,

Great. Normally people keep an accurate record of their lifetime instead of disguising it like you. I guess if you're posting fake lines that is even cooler.

I didn't watch the fight (why would I?). I was just pointing out that your thesis is flawed and fundamentally incorrect. Hypoxic training is well understood (just not by you). The idea that you can suss out altitude acclimation by looking at tweets shows how little you understand about the subject. But you post writeups! That is great!

That's a lot of extra hassle to be cutting and pasting as many as dozens of bets I make throughout the week in advance of a typical UFC card one by one or a few at a time as I make them at random times throughout the week from morning until night. Is it really that hard to believe that a guy who has Best Fight Odds as his home page and Firefox browser set to auto-fresh every five minutes on one of the several screens in his home office often gets good prices on the lines?

Sometimes I guess wrong of course and get stuck with a lame price, but betting right at the opener, somewhere in the middle where you think the peak may be or betting right before the fight as the line moves significantly is yet another one of the black arts of turning a profit gambling. That and having a few books where the prices vary so you're shopping for the best line at all times. It all adds up if you make a lot of bets like I do just like using coupons or taking advantage of BOGOs at the grocery store adds up if you buy a lot of household items.

I don't think we have ever established if you're an MMA bettor, romaleo1? Do you wager on MMA too, or do you see your role as more of an ombudsman who just makes sure others are betting correctly, lol? As much as it would help turn this thread into a long and halfway unreadable mess, I'd probably be willing to laboriously post each bet individually or in groups at the time I make them if you were willing to do the same with your bets.

Confirmed , lvr tailed one of you guys and lost his savings.


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Jim do not feed the troll, he's an 'expert' on everything and of course he thinks he knows more about MMA training than anyone in the thread including the guys who actually train with UFC fighters despite never having expressed any interest in the sport. He accuses everyone who wins except his friends of faking records despite never posting any of his own records while claiming to be a millionaire.

Sure there is a lot of stuff that's just opinions but there's also a lot of hugely valid info posted in thread. I made more money on TJ Dillashaw against Barao solely because of this thread than I have on any other MMA fight ever. Sure, we don't always get it right, but this thread is a great resource for MMA betting.

Thremp/Mihkel if you seriously believe Jim isn't a winner then feel free to put your money where your mouth is. 1k escrowed to any 2p2 mod/reputable person we both agree to, minimum one bet on every fight at UFC 208 and 209, 1u max per individual bet. 5dimes lines, screencap of current line in thread at time play is posted for play to count. 20something fights total (happy to extend it to more events to lower variance but don't want to waste your 'valuable' time). Of course you're not going to accept and claim it's because 1k isn't worth your time or some bull****, but if you decide to accept, I take Jim's spots you take your own, whoever is up more units/down less units at the end wins. Or hell, if you think Jim is a losing bettor you don't even have to submit any spots and if he's down after two cards your side wins. Quote to book and consider it booked if we can agree on an escrow. If you're not willing to bet on it then take your trolling elsewhere as there's literally no reason for you to be here.

how bout you take your own "spots"... you're a winner right? i'll take that bet

probably because it's irrelevant

he isn't even trolling but trying to help you lol

These dudes have to be trolling. No one can be this stupid. I've seen this kind of thing on other forums and I'm sorry I fed the trolls.

Whoever fights with monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And when you look long into the abyss, the abyss also looks into you.

Dude WE ALL KNOW picking off slow moving books to beat the closing line is profitable including in MMA. I do it myself in other sports. Like it or not, Jim has shown he can beat MMA with his own handicapping over a verifiable sample and he posts his picks before every card. Obviously not everyone in the thread is that solid, i'm about breakeven lifetime in MMA. I bet on MMA because I enjoy it as it's my favourite sport to watch and it gives me sweats, I make my sports betting profit in other sports. Yes, there are plenty of people on 2p2 and elsewhere who make more money than I do sports betting. Good for them. Unless they're making useful posts, no one here cares.

Mihkel is not trying to help anyone at all he is trying to feel smug and superior to everyone by posting vague 'you're wrong' responses to people while bragging about being a millionaire and falsely accusing random people of being scammers/frauds either because he legitimately believes it and is wrong most of the time or just to troll and bait reactions. It's not helping anyone in this thread it's just displaying his narcissism.

If you believe you or Mihkel are better at picking winning MMA spots than Jim you're also welcome to accept my proposed bet above

@Romaleo i'm not a winning MMA bettor in spots I pick myself, at least not to any significant degree. I had a small losing 2016 and a small winning 2014/15 on MMA. I do crush AFL/Rugby union/Rugby league, i'm quite happy to book additional action on those codes this season against you at the actual line I get with screenshot if you want to lose some money to me please propose a person for the escrow or if you want to bet I lose for the NRL/AFL/Super Union season as a whole with 1u per bet and a minimum of 5 bets a week i'm happy to book that for however much you want up to low 5 figures.

Unless any of the three of you who are trolling want to accept any of the wagers above I have no interest in interacting any further with any of you.

?!?

Why would i just expose myself to angle shooting.

And again, you posted any obviously fraudulent record on a forum you openly solicit money for gambling. Just a fact. Sorry you did that.

Actually after a bit of thought. Pinnacle, day of fight, screenshot within 5min of bet, 20 fights (three or four events?) should alleviate any issues. Iowa! can escrow or any of the chatroom millionaires. They'd also serve as arbitrator is case any angle shooting occurs that is not explicitly covered. Like Jimm pulling a durrrrrr. (Obviously Swoop has does various shady things with regards to record keeping, and I don't think Jimm has engaged in any untoward behavior to my knowledge. But best to have an actual expert instead of someone who thinks randomly changing your prices after you place bets is totally normal and not evidence of duplicity or extreme stupidity.)

Obviously fixed risk/win 1u per bet.

Mikhel, lvr, all other trolls here, why you gotta waste my time with your nonsense posts?

Since this thread has degenerated in to complete mindless carnage I bet you're both wet paper bags that have never been in a fight in your lives... bullied at school and made a few quid beating closing lines so now you are trying to get back that lost pride by attempting to ridicule people online. It must suck to go out at night in fear of the bullies.

Once again I have never solicited money for any sort of gambling other than playing poker tournaments on 2p2, where I have posted my verifiable publicly tracked results and paid out winnings to investors with no issue including their share of 41k in cashes last month in my AM package. You're also neglecting to mention all of the false accusations you made against me that the mods ordered you to take down, I made one minor record keeping error in a thread I disavowed in a record that would have been profitable without the errors anyway many years ago due to inexperience, that's literally everything you seem to base your vendetta against me on. In any case let's agree to disagree and move on to the bet.

We have a bet pending us agreeing to terms. 1k USD escrowed by both sides for there to be action.

If Jim is willing to do his part posting the picks/screenshots (need confirmation of that) i'm in. He may want some action too either, if he does i'm sure he'll let you know if he's interested.

I'd suggest an amendment to terms being Pinnacle price with screenshot on the day of the event is fine, but all bets must be made prior to the first fight on the card taking place to dissuade parties from trying to chase steam just before a fight starts as that's when the significant last minute line movements happen. Screenshot of price being available on Pinnacle within 5 minutes of post for any play to be official. Exactly 20 bets total for each of you over 4 UFC cards (UFC 208, Lewis vs Browne, UFC 209, Belfort vs Gastelum unless you have any reason why it can't be those four cards starting Feb 11).

I do object to Iowa as a personal friend of yours for either escrow or arbitrator. It should be a neutral party that neither of us have any pre existing relationship with.

I'd nominate any of Holidayinthesun, Poogs or PropPlayer as arbitrator if they're willing to do it as far as I know none of them never interacted with either of us in any significant way other than posting on 2p2 and neither of us are close friends with any of them. Same suggestions for escrow.

I'd also be fine with Sect7G, Elliot10181 or any number of posters in this thread acting as arbitrators or escrow, but as I have a pre-existing relationship with them I assume you wouldn't be same as i'm not fine with Iowa as your friend being nominated.

If you object to all of those suggestions please give me a list of people you'd accept and i'll let you know if any of them are acceptable. If we can come to terms i'll see if Jim's happy to post 20 Pinnacle game day lines across those 4 cards and if so we have a bet. For purposes of this bet I suggest we count 'game day' as beginning 24 hours before the first prelim fight is scheduled to begin and closing 15 minutes before the first prelim fight is scheduled to begin. All plays must be posted within this 23 hour 45 minute window to count.

I'm fine with any combination for an arbitration panel of Poogs, HITS and Propplayer or similar or any three well known posters from this forum who aren't friends with either of us.

Do you agree that 24 hours to 15 mins before the card starts, Pinnacle price within 5 minutes of post, 20 bets total across 4 cards is acceptable for terms?

In the event Jim goes AWOL partway through the challenge and doesn't submit valid picks for whatever reason (pending him agreeing to do this in the first place) i'll the remaining picks myself in his place if time permits (or my side loses if the picks are not submitted in time), you can nominate a backup for your side if you can't submit the picks yourself with the same rules if you choose to, if any side doesn't complete 20 valid picks across the 4 cards the other side wins. Any dispute that a pick posted in thread with screenshot is not valid must be made with evidence to support that position prior to the card in question beginning. With regards to grading, each bet is graded in whatever way Pinnacle rules when action is finalised (eg. if they make a grading error and correct it, their final ruling/accurate result stands). Standard base unit 1u per play risking 3u to win 1u on a -300 fav or risking 1u to win 2u on a +200 dog etc. both sides and totals are valid to be picked on the events in question as long as they're current on Pinnacle.

Assuming Jim's happy to post picks and you agree to above terms we have a bet and let me know who you think out of my suggestions if any is an appropriate escrow and i'll send assuming that person agrees to be the escrow.

I will not be placing bets. If Jimm does not complete it, I win. Otherwise fine.

Hits can escrow and will be sole arbitrator.

NB: I was never asked to take down any posts, nor have there been any false allegations. You openly admit to soliciting money for gambling. And it is my expert opinion that a lack of expertise is a low probability for doing for you did. Feel free to quote something you believe is untrue. (Such as your repeated assertions you have stopped posting except in this thread. You try to be liked and respected with such suppliant behavior its genuinely painful to read.)

Since you seem to be so adamant that I am a troll...then show me which of my posts were trolling.

I have only posted basic mistakes most people in this thread make but if you don't want it then I guess I should stop ey

Ah, so you're arguing he's not profitable vs Pinnacle not that you're better than him at MMA betting. That's fine i'm still good with it but he should be able to bet from 24 hours before first prelim up until fight time as long as he posts his pick in the thread with a current line prior to each fight commencing. He places 20 bets, if he's up after 20 bets I win, if he's exactly even to the cent it's a push and if he's down after 20 bets you win.

So just to clarify terms, you place zero bets, Jim places 20. Pinnacle game day lines only across the 4 specified UFC events on any side/totals of his choice offered by Pinnacle. Base unit, risking 1u/to win 1u per bet. Jim can bet on any fight from 24 hours prior to the first fight of the card until the line goes down prior to each fight commencing as long as he posts his pick to the thread in that window and before the fight starts with a current line at the time he posts.

If Jim wants to complete the challenge we have a bet and i'll PM HITS and see if he wants to be escrow/arbitrator. You should also specify whether you're open to taking more action in case Jim wants to bet on himself or anyone else in thread wants to take his side. If you only want to do 1k and if Jim wants some of the action himself he can have a piece through me, or I assume as a self proclaimed sports betting millionaire you're open to giving him some action as well.

So apparently you were trying to alter the rules so I couldn't steam chase but he can?

Which is it?

Assuming you don't engage in some weird hypocrisy and acquiesce to the prior rules, that is fine. And I obviously want more action.

I thought you were both placing bets as a test of your skill vs his when I proposed that at first and I was assuming you would steam chase vs his handicapping. When it changed to Jim vs Pinnacle not Jim vs You I figured that would be fine as your argument is he can't beat the current Pinny price. Anyway i'm happy with the original terms if Jim is.

I'm sure he's fine with placing his bets from 24 hours to 15 minutes before the first prelim, i'm fine with that term if he is and assuming he's confident enough to accept then i'm in.

Sent a PM to HITS to see if he's happy to escrow/arbitrate and i'll post my 1k if Jim agrees to the terms and HITS is happy to be the escrow/arbitrator

One more thing i'm not sure whether Jim is US based or not, if he is are you fine with a screencap of the current line on the Pinnacle website (it's trackable when the line changes anyway) or do you need him to actually place a wager, if it's the latter we may have some logistics issues if he's US based, i'm fine with him using my Pinnacle account to place the wagers themselves if you require that, if you're happy with a screencap of the line posted to the thread at the time he makes the selection i'm sure you can verify that the line was current at that time anyway and it makes the logistics easier. Seems like something we should clarify prior to the bet.

@rest of thread this just got interesting assuming Jim is up to the challenge here's our chance for Jim to make us all money assuming he's confident he's a favourite using these rules or I assume Mihkel will accept similar terms for anyone else who posts here who wants to take him on using the same ruleset, is that true?

You are correct on the last point.

With regards to the former, that seems an acceptable work around. Having small token wagers verifies the price is accurate as of the time it was placed and handles any confusing on grading, both of which I require.

k I have no idea if Jim has access to Pinnacle or not, if he does that's easy and terms will work as stated without any need for adjustment. I assume he'll clarify when he posts in thread next both whether he's up for the challenge and whether he has pinnacle access or not.

If he's US based and doesn't have Pinny access, you might have to give some minor leeway with terms remaining 20 bets across 4 cards total but the cards possibly not being 4 in a row if either of us are unavailable for a specific card, are you happy with the terms being 20 wagers total are placed on 4 UFC events of Jim's choice within the next 6 UFC cards in case he's not available or i'm not available to place the verification bets on one or two of the cards? (we have to specify before the 24 hour window begins if either of us will be unavailable and the card is skipped, there are six cards between now and March 18 so the time frame seems reasonable and we'd have to make it work for a minimum of 4 of the 6 cards with me placing his bets to verify prices and posting in thread each time a pick is selected)

the thing is right

if you are not profitable vs pinnacle then you are not profitable at all lol

unless you want to open a thousand accounts with crap books