I didnt give you crap quite a bit. I said one thing to you, where I pointed out that it was a complete joke that you buy points and dont list that on your record. THAT is actually doing the forum service. Someone might see your record is like 60% or whatever it is and think you know what you're doing, when in fact you're just breaking even because you're not paying -110 standard juice. I know you went back and changed your record and I dont even know why I cared in the first place, but if that hadn't been pointed out youd still be doing it.

Whatever, I explained myself for that already. Take it or leave it, but I obviously was doing more than breaking even and there was one time when I bought a half-point and didn't list it. I've apologized for it. I've been a productive contributor to the forum and some people have made money following my nfl picks. But there's a tactful way of explaining things and an asshat way. You always go with the later, such as in the example I mentioned above.

Oh yeah, and it wasn't the only thing you've said to me. You've been an ass on a few occasions to me and many occasions to everyone else.

And even if you're always right, it's the way you express yourself that's terrible

poogs are you really arguing that you are not a jerk to most people on this forum? fwiw i think it's fine to be rude on the internet, it's just odd you don't see yourself that way.

i would go through your posting history but it's not really worth my effort to prove what is basically a prima facie case

its like a peer pressure thing, someone like Thremp is a douchebag to everyone, and then everyone else tries as hard as they can to be an ass as well

...and it all started with what I thought was a simple question...

I realize I'm restating for the 100th time what's already been said but...

Most people who get mocked by regs deserve it by blatant disregard of the FAQ/rules or the sheer ridiculousness of their OPs. Their threads should probably be locked or banned. Instead they get worked over, and as a result, the lurkers learn a thing or two, and everyone with a sense of humor gets a good laugh. And if the lazy, ignorant, or rule-breaking OP has a little perspective, he can actually learn something from why everything was so funny.

The majority of the people getting mad are those unwilling to admit to themselves they are wrong and learn from their mistakes, and see the humor in their painfully naive opinions and false assumptions. Admittedly some of the value embedded in the trolling is lost on a large majority who can't tell the difference between some random douchebag trash talker and someone's whose insults contain rice bowls. That's where randoms will think there's some sort of double standard with insults put out by regs and the long leashes they are granted. However, the large majority of a regs insults are funny because because they are based on the truth about the shortcoming of another's knowledge.

Shippity, I have no problem with any of that which is why I let it continue. The perception that I'm against any if that is inaccurate. The cross-thread trolling of regulars against each other with insults that are over the line is something I don't care for. But noobs making terrible threads being mocked is fine.

I lock threads that appear to be spammy or appear to be a poster trying to use this forum to establish himself as a tout. Whether or not I should let those go I'm interested in opinions.

There are lots of posters on here who do not for such threads but others who still like them just to have content and get weird and fun discussions started.

B00t, I don't really understand the point of your post since it assumes things that I don't really do. You are arguing assumptions about what i do and how I run things here that I just don't believe are correct.

As I said, just stop crossing the line so blatantly on the insults. Stop telling people to gets aids or otherwise being total pricks all the time and you are generally going to be fine.

The biggest thing I've had to crackdown on is random crap directed against me or just being generally stupid, like posting the dumb pic or threating to fight or kill each other or dumb bumps or some of the pastposting which I have mostly let go also so people can have a fun time getting on each others' cases.

You are stating over and over again why its important for me to be lenient when I already am and barely do much of anything in here....except for responding to complaints about how I'm not lenient or am just generally an idiot.

You don't need to tell me that I don't get it. You need to tell me in the future when I do something that you somehow felt could have been handled differently. because right now I can't tell at all what the heck youre talking about because I don't believe I'm currently doing any of the things you seem to think I'm doing.

While I understand some of the complaints against MB, my opinion is that everyone should remember that Bob is a VOLUNTEER. It really is a neccessity to have someone who is willing to volunteer his time to police the forum.

And it's not like he is a terrible mod. He's OK. The days of having a laissez faire mod are gone. 2+2 is not going to go for that anymore. Besides, MB is probably right that the attacks have actually gotten more personal than in the past.

b00t, you wouldn't last 48 hours as a mod. You don't have the temperament for it. I am laughing just thinking about the idea of you becoming a mod, because if you can blow up on guys like rickj, then I can't imagine you putting up with some of the real clowns.

MB, I would definitely not lock the thread linked by solring. The guy is doing nothing wrong and is not hurting anyone (or the forum). I have been here for years and never even noticed that thread.

I still don't understand solring. He has literally never contributed a single thing to this forum, but he likes to snitch on people like rickj for not following "the rules". If anything, please IP ban solring.

I don't know where you guys are getting this from. I don't remember rsigley being a troll in the past. I remember a kinder, gentler rsigley. He's probably been hanging out/chatting with thremp way too much recently. Let's hope he recovers and regains his love for his fellow man!

Post-oak, thanks for the feedback and the compliments.

I'be been thinking more about my participation in this forum whatever it was...like 4 or 5 years ago. When perf was starting...and whoever was the mod in here before him. I never saw anything besides spam stuff really. Nothing that i thought was very bad at any time really. Maybe I just missed. The worst of the personal attacks that I ever read about was tbab being a weirdo such as calling me a virgin etc. At least he was funny. and regs playing around and calling each other dumb but not much more than that.

It just wasn't terribly nasty that I can remember. This may have been pre-Thremp though. Or he wasn't as active. Not sure.

And idiots like me were perfectly fine being total squares and offering their silly picks. I never felt intimated about participating. I kind of do now actually. Back then, I even made a terrible thread where I was betting baseball preseason underdogs on the theory that, especially early in preseason, good starters would be overvalued. It was just a dumb theory that I didn't know how to research. Was just dorking around for kicks. And some of the squares started taking it seriously and I had to caution them that I was a dork that had no clue...because there were zero regs ripping on me. I don't remember regs ripping on me EVER really. And I was way more terrible than I am now.

I can actually go back and look at the threads at some point. But I just don't recall anything even approaching the kind of nastiness that is advocated today. Just thinking this trough I guess. Maybe there's a chance that I'm still better off today for being put in my place by posting bad sports betting logic. Just arguing that I just don't think it was done to the extent in the supposed glory days of this forum as is being mentioned.

mb, couple things...

1. you are our mod. you're fine, you try (lolniss) and when i think about it, it's probably better that you don't have ties to anyone. if we had an election, that **** could get ugly.

2. performify was the man. wish he would come back and say hello.

3. what everyone is talking about in regards to trolling is that if people ask a question that has been asked 10 times and/or can be answered in the sticky, **** 'em. but if it's a question that is semi-newb, they may get clowned but in the process (and this is years ago) they most likely got killed, but then got their answer and more.

that's what people are crushing about. new guys show up and ask (dumb) questions that have been answered a LOT. the first people that asked them got clowned and in the process, got their answer.

4. why are you intimidated?

understand Bob, that you are the 2+2 Sports Betting Moderator.

whether you are worthy or not doesn't matter, you're important. this forum has historically had the highest content:bull**** ratio. i've said before that we have several handfuls of 1% types here, and we do. they should definitely get free passes to get pissed off at newbies because what they add is worth much, much, much more than the other 99%.

i support microbob as moderator. let that be said.

THAT said, MB, you should try to find a way to give the important posters much more leeway than others. how you do that? i dunno, but it needs to happen.

'nastiness' isn't being advocated today. it's being used to force people who want spoon-fed to use the resources already available.

reading is hard -

I WANT LOX DAMIT

Wiper, its intimidating to post because of the posters who are nasty.

You don't have to explain yet again why it is that way for the same q's being asked. It's been said before. I'm saying it wasn't really that way many years ago. When it changed, I don't know. Probably 3 yrs ago roughly I'm guessing.

Stupid beginner crap gets asked over and over and over in the internet forum and other places too....with people making fun of them...without the nastiness. And without regulars telling each other to die. That is where the problem is here. That's what I actually do little things about....IF I actually get around to it.

So stop telling me about the noob stuff that I need to let go when I already do that pretty much.

Regarding the regs being allowed to get away with more...if you can't see how blatently that is already the case I don't know what to tell you. It's beyond lenient to a riduculous degree. But there is sill a line that shouldn't be crossed and its not hard at all to figure out. So don't be a total douchebag and cross it. And when you do I will probably delete something and then say, "hey, could you maybe kinda watch it please?"

By the time you get to the 5th occasion of telling somebody to die it being ridiculous I'm most likely too lazy to touch it....or I delete again and say again to please knock it off. That's mostly my modding around here.

But the nastiness really is stupid. And the high number of posters in here that would prefer a forum without it being as prevelent is not insignificant.

That's it. Except for the stupid picture posting that I have to delete that I have zero choice on, that is the extent of my hardline modding that people are complaining about. So don't post the stupid pic, because I've already said not to. And don't freakout when I nuke a post or two without giving an infraction because we really can't have death threats and nonstop personal trolling wars, etc around here. Really not hard. I barely do anything really. So this complaining about how I do too much and need to find a way to let more things go is pretty silly

Looking ahead to the Summer Olympics. Do books have lines on the sports? What will the limits be on the minor events?

theres a gotta be a middle ground, and i think thats what you're searching for in this whole discussion, which is a good thing

yes for the major events like mens basketball. not much for the lesser events. iirc limits were decent on basketball but other events were around nickels or less. country and medal props were common bets as well.

we gonna get that canoe slalom money this year?

Yes, all books will have lines available. Some will have lines available on more sports/events than others. As for the limits - it depends on two things:

1. the book. A book like Pinnacle will have much higher limits than a book like Bodog

2. the event. Some of the events will have high limits (think basktetball), some will have low limits. It depends on how popular/bettable the events is. For many books, the majority of events will have limits equal to their normal prop bet limits.

P-O,

It's called stirring the pot. I'm lollin at the thought that you can't see the difference especially after the exchanges we've had over PM. If I was as loose tempered as you think, don't you think certain things would have been handled differently?

Maybe I should finally go stir the pot in the HSNL thread?

All that being said, I don't want to be mod anyway. Guess I was loose tempered afterall when I wrote that part.

From memory betfair had ghost town markets for almost every event.

I'm guaranteeing 100% LOX on gymnastics (don;t judge me playa). Subscribe now and I'll throw in my pick of the decade for the Heptathlon.

Yes, it is long past due. Recently he's been calling other people out, calling them scumbags and talking about how his own rep is so pristine.

Post-Oak, He who? Haven't been following the HSNL thread. What's up in that scene?

(not going all mod-crazy or anything...just curious from an internet-drama standpoint)