MB,

You actually do a fine job imo. I think you get trolled hard cause you get so upset about it and that makes it more fun. P.S. thanks for getting rid of jdock I was getting pretty tilted by him.

Rob,

You're in Hawaii man. Go watch the golf tournament or snorkel or hike through rainforests or go on a boat or go skydiving or buy some fancy **** for European tourist girls. I promise if you give them a chance, all of those activities will be way more fun than this. You won't miss it.

Obv. superstd for russkies.

Hey Rsig did ya ever breakdown the news to your black girlfriend or w/e ? I remember reading your post and laughing at it.

MB plz don't compare RSig and JDock. It breaks down pretty simple;

Not 1 reg/lurker would want RSig to go anywhere

Not 1 reg/lurker would want JDock to ever return

You couldn't list 2 more diametrically opposed posters

I can't believe there is this much bitching about MB. He is what he is, somebody tossed in here when he didn't even sign up for it and admits that he doesn't know a whole lot about the subject but wants to at least actively engage (a far cry from niss) and make this a positive for all while doing it among the rules. The Henry pic thing is complete bs, but I guess if I was traveling from minor league arena to arena I wouldn't want to have to deal with enforcing the stupid policy enforced by 2+2 that protects a frosted tip fat ass either. How quickly people forget Niss I guess

Mb's fine by me, situation reminds me of that bobMarley lyric about you can please some of the people some of the time, but not all the people all of the time.
Anyways going back to my hammock with a cold beer, non angry and non bitter sb'er here

Ar yeah, and +1 gmcarroll33 about the niss thing

oh god, niss, that was bad. I'd volunteer to be the mod, except they prob won't let me since I just told earlycuyler to shut the **** up and stop tarding up the bowl thread. then again, I would have banned him two weeks ago if I was mod so maybe it would work......

see you in LV clam

Pouring out a lil' for you, clam
Pouring out a lil' for you, too, Kabo

I'll have to stop by in the near future

kabo's derision and clam's calmness are a couple of the reasons I'm above the double digits with my own bets

permabanned. bye.

MB: You f'n rule. You got that waste of air jdock to cease posting. Best thing a mod has done around here in 3+ years.


I've posted here back since CraigR and Tech modded this place. In all seriousness, you weren't around when Perf was basically the only mod. There was tons of trolling, which also led to useful information being thrown out there amongst the flame wars. Look at ImBen/PC arguing in the Celtics futures thread. Look at Thremp and Cowley or whoever bending over Dr. Bob and GB and RAS in those threads. Perf only dealt out infraction in extreme examples going over the edge. If some shmuck wants to post about Skip Bayless or Bounce That Dick videos over and over, let em be. The forum quickly picks up who and who not to pay attention to and can self-police the nimrods.

As one poster above posted, RSigley should blatantly be allowed to get away with murder, much like Thremp/ImBen/myself did in the past under Perf, because at least there was a light at the end of the tunnel. Clueless trolls (which being a non-expert sports bettor, you really cant differentiate, or know from their posting history) should be dealt with in another manner. It truly would be best for the community overall if there was a strong bias, and being a key contributor you deserve special privileges as the bottom-feeders are running rampant with everything to gain and nothing to lose where it is the complete opposite for rsigley or whoever else. By the bannings over the last few years and hours, the more money/you know from sports betting you have, the more likely you are to be banned. Ask GS85 or Poogs, who'd they'd rather have posting around here, or if getting trolled by certain people was worth the return on their investment.

My point is, the forum should revert back to 2-3 years ago. I understand your stance and you were thrown in here after the abortion of a job Niss had done. Someone needs to mod this place that can understand the atmosphere and deal with it accordingly, much like Perf did.

I would nominate TomG to do it, but he has said multiple times in the past that he wants no part of it. How about DodgerIrish, or Rasputin? I don't know either of them from a hole in the wall but they has been around long enough and has an understanding as to the mood of this place.

I'd even mod the forum if needed. I can assure you I don't give a flying **** about 2+2 politics or the mod forum or whatever kind of bogus groupthink that takes place among the camraderie. Perf spent very little time stepping in, and I'm quite sure with all his other projects, he did not spend a lot of time with the old fellas in the back room.

If you don't want to do the job, someone else can, and have their finger on what needs to be the climate around here in order for the place to be a spot worth visiting, otherwise just shut the entire forum down.

microbob has tried very much to fit in here and has failed hard. ive been reading this forum for a few weeks and it seems just recently microbob has stepped in and taken over. moderation is a joke anyway, just let the forum police itself

edit just read further
why are you giving any infractions? people are analyzing your moves because you are making moves. stop making ridiculous moves and their will be no criticism. simple really
were people complaining that this forum needs help?

This about as solidly as one can put it

Greg - I don't think I have given much more than 10 infractions in my 6 months in this forum in total but maybe I'm not remembering correctly. I've given a couple infractions for spamming that I think most were in agreement on needed to be addressed. And the stupid pic which was basically people directly saying, "I want you to give me an infraction." Otherwise, I've let WAY WAY more go than I've infracted.

I've let a few "go kill yourself" and "I hope you die" comments go which is ridiculously lenient of me.

Do you not see some other posters complaining that I'm not active enough as a mod in here?

No matter what you think, the ideas on how this forum should be run are not universal to all and not everyone shares the same views as you. What is "completely obvious" to you is exactly the opposite of what somebody else wants.

What's kind of funny is that there still seems to be a perception that all the posters are kind of together in how things should be run. Meanwhile, I'm getting completely conflicting input all the time. "Why did it take you so long to nuke that terrible post?" with "What a horrible decision to nuke such a tame comment" at the same time.

If you have input you would care to share then feel free and continue to do so. If you see a deletion, lock, infraction, whatever that you think may not have been correct then go ahead and communicate with me.

Telling me now what amounts to, "you are terrible. Stop being so terrible" isn't really that helpful.


B00T - Thanks for your input. rsig is getting as much rope as I can give him but he simply can't get away with murder around here. Sorry, he just can't. Neither can you. I've been doing the best I can keeping other mods from permabanning him but my pull is pretty much done on that matter I suspect.

I was around here some about 3-4 years ago (I think). And I do not at all recall the tone being as rude as it eventually became. We all had some good times making fun of Bay Area Beast and things like that. And he called me a virgin which I thought was an odd insult. But people weren't running around wishing AIDS upon each other and such things like that with that kind of vitriol that is a bit too common today. And I would prefer that not happen now either....and I think many posters are the same.

In other words, I do think you tend to romanticize the past a bit. It wasn't as nasty as it is today (I don't think). And perf was probably a bit more involved than you make him out to be or remember.

But irrespective of that, I don't think that the big solution to bringing better content to this forum is to allow people to be as nasty as they can be to each other. That's really more for your entertainment value than anything else. If you want to help improve the content of the forum then stop wasting all this time pointing out the flaws and insulting and ripping people...which you kind of do a lot of. It's like you're on jdock and poogs alert. Just seems to be creating unnecessary drama and isn't helping.

Contribute something worthwhile. In all the time that you and others are sitting around griping about me and making whatever observations on this stuff, you could have been cultivating worthwhile discussions on sports betting topics and/or helping out noobs with observations of how you got started or just random thoughts on "Here are what I consider the 5 most important things in Sports Betting" etc or just sharing some thoughts on the NFL playoffs.

Instead, we're talking about me and how I failed when I gave an infraction on whatever situation you thought I should not have given an infraction. And to me that's kind of boring.

MB:

You, like all other non-Performify mods, don't realize that the people who contributed in the past were also gigantic trolls. Thremp, ImStillBen, rsigley, etc, etc.

Getting made fun of was the price you paid for learning good information.

Every one of those posters could have just hoarded their ricebowl, but they traded it so they could feel better about themselves (and make a few people laugh) by insulting idiots on the Internet.

Thremp has made fun of me an ungodly amount of times. I still talk to him regularly. It's a business relationship.

As I've said to niss and every other mod, if you aren't OK with this dynamic, then that's fine. But don't sit here and bitch about people not contributing when you ban the Thremps of the world. They're the ones that DID contribute.

As for who you ban, no one is gonna bitch about banning the jdocks of the world. But most people are fine with the dumb "hurrrrr here are my picks" threads. They are useful filler, just like buried articles in the local newspaper.

You may be fine with them but I'm not sure "most" are. I get a lot of complaints every time one of these pops up.

The thremps of the world generally find themselves getting banned when enough mods get sick of their act. So I don't think that's a great example. 2+2 prefers their uppity "smarter than everyone" trolls to have some amount of civility some of the time I guess.

I don't want to see Rsig and boot get banned. They can have their trolling fun with the noobs while still keeping it reasonably civil and on this side of the "hope you gets aids" line. They can also let me know when they would like a thread left open...and they can voice their opinion on these matters to me at any time...and preferrably not in an idiot-how-could-you-be-so-dumb-don't-you-see-you-suck kind of way.

See also:

You don't have to be OK with it. I'm just telling you that's who has contributed the most. You don't get to have it both ways.

holla to my R crew HolidayInTheSun and illfuuptonight

R Reference Card

this comes in handy

rando question - do you believe that online books track unsuccessful steam attempts? i would say i am "successful" chasing steam (i.e. actually getting the bet in before line move) maybe 10-15% of the time. for the most part the line has moved and i just cancel the wager. do you think the books are aware or are tracking the unsuccessful attempts and has anyone been booted from a book for repeated unsuccessful attempts?

I agree with this post, certain people on this forum should be allowed to do whatever the hell they want.

greensmoke can we please be bffs and build treehouses together and pretend we can afford to retire in hawaii and live happily ever after

can we tally the damage over the last 24 hours?

perma-banned: calm, kaboshedx, MyTurn2Raise

it might actually have been worth it to lose those guys in exchange for jdock99 never posting here again

fair enough. i suppose this is definitely true

i would have to agree with this. thats the problem with this forum: if anyone new tries to post a newbie question, he gets *****ted on. there is very little effort to help people learn how to do this profitably. now, if the edges in sports betting are smaller than poker, and secrecy has lots of value, thats fine, just choose not to respond instead of calling people stupid or giving false advice

you got Poogs trashing newbs, so you think, "ok Poogs must know what he's talking about to trash people, so let me try to read a little deeper into his posts". then you see Iowa trashing Poogs. "well Poogs must just be a newb himself who wants to look smart trashing other people" blah blah blah

whats the solution for you as mod? i dont know. you cant force people to contribute worthwhile discussion

all ?s have been answered over and over and instead of reading people just ask the same ?s over and over so that is why people get called stupid or get false advice. i know bc i remember answering them over and over