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01-23-2014 , 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
Promise to spread about 50 million around and you might get .... one to ten. Is that better?
FYP.

Bribing basketball players historically has fallen somewhere outside likely legal guidelines, do so and you could win a free vacation for 1 to 10.

See,http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CCNY_point_shaving_scandal
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01-23-2014 , 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by adanthar
TIL that Warren Buffett would make more money if he quit actively managing Berkshire Hathaway and instead hired a pack of traveling salesmen who did nothing but convince the entire Fortune 500 to offer huge sweepstakes payouts with horrible odds.
There is a company, SCA, that has done quite well over the years with that "laying off contest risk" business model.

Typically, they will write insurance on matters ranging from a hole-in-one promotion up through online poker promotions.

It allows a promoter to quantify and expense the cost of such marketing contests.
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01-23-2014 , 03:12 PM
Let me rephrase my suggestion. I believe there will be about 100K entrants simply picking the lowest seeds. Those entrants are incredibly dumb because they not only split all those ways they also don't always pick the favorites. There will probably be almost as many entrants that pick the actual favorites based on the bookies power line. That's better than the first alternative but will still only be worth about 10K I think. Now suppose you can identify a few games where you think the underdog has a one third chance of winning but only one in five will choose them. If you deviate from the all favorite ticket in three games you cut your chances to 1/27 of what it was but multiply your prize by 125. Over a million bucks. Anyone here who starts thinking about marginal utility when they can get 124-1 on a 26-1 shot for 10k that's dropped in your pocket should be ashamed of themselves. And I believe this is a conservative estimate of opportunities. I think that there are some deviations from the all favorite ticket where the dog is played far less often than its chances indicate.

NOTE: It is important to realize that this deviation should only be taken into account as regards otherwise almost all favorite tickets. For instance a 20% shot will surely be played more often than 20% of ALL tickets because of the amateurs betting. But they have no chance at all. However among the tickets that are betting virtually all favorites that 20% shot is likely to be underplayed.

Again I realize that this is really just an academic discussion as far as this promotion is concerned. No one is hitting a 5 billion to one shot. But its important if you play something like these Vegas no points promotions.
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01-23-2014 , 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Gzesh
There is a company, SCA, that has done quite well over the years with that "laying off contest risk" business model.

Typically, they will write insurance on matters ranging from a hole-in-one promotion up through online poker promotions.

It allows a promoter to quantify and expense the cost of such marketing contests.
The owner of SCA is good friends with Buffett.
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01-23-2014 , 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Gzesh
FYP.

Bribing basketball players historically has fallen somewhere outside likely legal guidelines, do so and you could win a free vacation for 1 to 10.

See,http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CCNY_point_shaving_scandal
Even without bribes this promotion might start getting heat. Imagine if someone is alive with eight teams left and his brother in law' barber's son is a guard on one of the teams he bet against.
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01-23-2014 , 03:24 PM
I've had one small glass of wine. I am lost.

What?
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01-23-2014 , 03:31 PM
If Buffet is requiring an email address and/or address with entry, could this just be a really inexpensive way to datamine millions of college basketball fans and/or cheap way to raise the profile/brand of Warren Buffet?
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01-23-2014 , 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by ChicagoRy
If Buffet is requiring an email address and/or address with entry, could this just be a really inexpensive way to datamine millions of college basketball fans
Exactly what I figured. Getting 10 million unique U.S. email addresses – pretty much all of which will be legit – is certainly the angle.

Others have stated that this is a "marketing fail" because the contest has thus far been connected to Buffett rather than Quicken Loans. I suppose that's true in the short run. But it will be Quicken that sends out all the junk mail to the addresses it harvests.
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01-23-2014 , 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by adanthar
Does it actually take a few million to insure a billion dollar payout (1/333) with 1 in {many billion} odds of hitting? We might all be in the wrong business.
It does when there a lot more than one person who is trying to win.
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01-23-2014 , 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Sly Caveat
Check the ESPN bracket challenge standings. The leaders never have anything close to the same bracket.
This true the small variations of upset picks in early rounds lead to wild differences
(leaderboard)
http://games.espn.go.com/tournament-...p?groupID=3114

(1st)
http://games.espn.go.com/tournament-...entryID=151881
(2nd)
http://games.espn.go.com/tournament-...?entryID=25623

they both picked the winner of the final two
Both failed bad in the West bracket.
(BTW ESPN allows 10 brackets per person)
If I remember correct it a 10k prize for the winner.

Most brackets will be chalk and will be the greatest chance of a muti-way tie
But I read before that the NCAA seeding is poorly done.

I doubt any bracket will be perfect past the Elite Eight.
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01-23-2014 , 07:26 PM
Since no #1 seed has ever lost in the first round, everyone gets four free games. Now what are the odds?
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01-23-2014 , 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by domgio7
Since no #1 seed has ever lost in the first round, everyone gets four free games. Now what are the odds?
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Originally Posted by xalas
BTW IT almost happen last year.
Between the overrated Gonzaga vs Southern U
If anything had happen to Kelly Olynyk it would had.
http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=330802250

Then in the very next round the 1st seed Gonzaga lost to 9th seed Wichita State.
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01-23-2014 , 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
Exactly zero comments on my x/y math point. Did everybody already know it? It may be irrelevant in this spot but it applies equally well to all those pick the most straight up winners football contests that are a lot more winnable.
This is why I didn't pick Phil Ivey in a WSOP pool when I thought everyone else would. Just didn't understand the logic or math behind it. Pretty cool.
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01-23-2014 , 11:08 PM
What if you had a time machine tho?

Then you have an edge on WB.
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01-23-2014 , 11:53 PM
Just gonna leave this here

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01-24-2014 , 12:33 AM
Nobody has mentioned that the top 20 finishers get $100,000, with some strings attached.

You don't have to go perfect to win.
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01-24-2014 , 01:09 AM
EV is insane to take out a 315 million dollar loan and pay off a bunch of poor college athletes to fix games for you. You figure no kid is going to balk at 1 million dollars. 63 games * 5 million = 315 million dollars. Bummer that once government taxes you your 685 million will only be like 350 or so, but still worth it.

Wish I had a credit score in the 700s, I could probably accomplish this.
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01-24-2014 , 01:33 AM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
keep in mind that a winning ticket with all favorites will be split tens of thousands of ways. If you throw in a few underdogs your EV should go way up. As long as you don't go overboard. The general principle is this: If you are considering picking an underdog that has about an x percent of winning you should also estimate what percentage of fans will also choose them. Call that percentage y. Confine your underdog picks to those that have the largest value of x/y. In other words better to throw in a 25% shot picked by 5% than a 30% shot picked by 15%.
Just doing a random bracket with 80% chance of the favorite winning is prob just as good and way easier.
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01-24-2014 , 02:58 AM
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Originally Posted by dessin d'enfant
Just doing a random bracket with 80% chance of the favorite winning is prob just as good and way easier.
So your going to have a 16 seed win 20% of the time? That doesn't seem like the same thing.
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01-24-2014 , 03:50 AM
If I win I'm moving to Costco.
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01-24-2014 , 06:01 AM
This seems like such an EZ game for Buffett. In the incredibly rare chance that someone is perfect up until the Final Four, he'll call them up and offer them something pathetically less than the $125 milly that it's currently worth. I'm not ashamed to admit that if I made it that far, he could reeeeally lowball me for, like, 10 million and I wouldn't think twice about it.

Unless the person is already really well off financially or is one sick mother****er, no one is going to turn down even, say, 5 million bucks and decide to go for a 1 in 8 shot for a billion.

Even if the odds were much, much better for a perfect bracket, WB still has us by the balls.
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01-24-2014 , 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Double Down
This seems like such an EZ game for Buffett. In the incredibly rare chance that someone is perfect up until the Final Four, he'll call them up and offer them something pathetically less than the $125 milly that it's currently worth. I'm not ashamed to admit that if I made it that far, he could reeeeally lowball me for, like, 10 million and I wouldn't think twice about it.

Unless the person is already really well off financially or is one sick mother****er, no one is going to turn down even, say, 5 million bucks and decide to go for a 1 in 8 shot for a billion.

Even if the odds were much, much better for a perfect bracket, WB still has us by the balls.
Doubt WB will do that, He is very old now and he has been giving away his money & plan on giving more, you can't take you money to the grave he is worth over $58 Billion so giving 500 million to a super lotto winner ain't gonna effect him at all also he wouldn't want someone to think he trying to weasel down a winner unless it was their idea, with his type of money he rather have his image intact then to nickle, dime someone.
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01-24-2014 , 06:38 AM
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Originally Posted by xalas
Doubt WB will do that, He is very old now and he has been giving away his money & plan on giving more, you can't take you money to the grave he is worth over $58 Billion so giving 500 million to a super lotto winner ain't gonna effect him at all also he wouldn't want someone to think he trying to weasel down a winner unless it was their idea, with his type of money he rather have his image intact then to nickle, dime someone.
Fair enough. Good points.
Another thing I thought of that will make it even harder to fill out a complete bracket is that even if a bunch of basketball statistical geniuses got together and created a way to come up with incredibly accurate picks, it would still take some time to run the numbers and do the match up research once the seedings come out, and I'd imagine that if you want to be one of the 10,000 entrants, you're going to have to sign up IMMEDIATELY, and therefore won't have time to do the research. Sure, you have until Wednesday to submit the bracket, but I'm guessing they'll hit the 10,000 mark within a couple of hours on the Sunday evening prior.

Of course, considering no one on ESPN has ever gotten a perfect bracket anyway (in conditions where you have 3 full days to submit), this hypothetical team of experts probably doesn't exist.
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01-24-2014 , 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by xalas
Doubt WB will do that
He already said in the linked article that if you get to Final Four he'll definitely be offering you a buyout... 'won't be refusing your calls' iirc
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01-24-2014 , 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by chuckamuck
He already said in the linked article that if you get to Final Four he'll definitely be offering you a buyout... 'won't be refusing your calls' iirc
A good lawyer could probably set up a way to sell shares before the Final Four when you are down to a three team parlay. Assuming $500m lump sum and a 1/8 chance of hitting, you could try to sell shares at a 10:1 payout to Hedge Fund managers, Sports Betting Syndicates, or China.
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