HORSE RACING THREAD - Page 7 - Sports Betting

Jokerz24 · 04-13-2009, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by MrsFreeze

If anyone is interested...

There is a horse I been waiting to run finally got notified on my stable today that she is running on April 16th, 2009 at Aqudect. I got a pretty strict list of horses that do well in my stable.

Horse is on the AE list so not sure if she will run. Will let everyone know on the 16th if she is running. Possible it could rain as it will rain on the 14th and 15th and in which I would love the horse more. But we will see should be one scratch in the race then it will be 50/50 if she runs.

Aqudect 7th Race, April 16th, 2009. 1 1/16 Turf

AE...DJ's Strom

Mrsfreeze

How do you get involved in owning a horse or a share of a horse and how much capital is usually needed?

wdrzich · 04-13-2009, 03:52 PM

This a great thread and hope it is around for a while.

I recently went to the horse track for the first time (harness racing at Hoosier Park) and had a great time. I was there for about 6 races and won just over 500 on a eight dollar exacta. Obviously pure luck as this was my first time and am not real familiar with handicapping and the horses involved.

Anyway the point of my post is that I really enjoed the races and would like to become more familair with horse racing. I saw earlier in the post 2 books that were recommended for handicapping and exotic bets and plan to pick them up when I get the chance. I have a few general questions I was hoping someone could answer for me. (sorry ahead of time if they seem obvious)

Where do you guys get your information for races? Are there online sites where you look this up or are you going to OTB places and picking up programs?

Do you bet at OTB sites or do you bet online?

Also for example Kevroc talks about the carry over for certain tracks being so many $$$. Where do you find out this information? Are carry over $$ one of the most important factors in the bets you guys make??

Again any helpful information for someone wanting to get into horse track betting will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks for all the help

Jokerz24 · 04-13-2009, 03:59 PM

I personally get all my information from DRF, it was what I started reading when I first started betting so that is what I am used to. I formulate my own picks for the race and then I read the DRF Analysis to see if there is anything I am missing.

I use an online site and there is a dog track Derby Lane close to my house so I go there and watch the simulcasts.

You can usually find the carryover amount listed on the website of the track. I don't have a bankroll yet for the Pick 6s but I usually do Pick 4s or Pick 3s. I also bet Exactas when I feel strongly about a horse and try to get that horse a little bit better of a payback by trying to pick the #2 horse. Only been betting for 4 years or so, I am only 28 so I am fairly new to this but always have enjoyed horse racing since I was a kid picking horses by name for my grandfather.

M.Honcho · 04-13-2009, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by wdrzich

This a great thread and hope it is around for a while.

I recently went to the horse track for the first time (harness racing at Hoosier Park) and had a great time. I was there for about 6 races and won just over 500 on a eight dollar exacta. Obviously pure luck as this was my first time and am not real familiar with handicapping and the horses involved.

Anyway the point of my post is that I really enjoed the races and would like to become more familair with horse racing. I saw earlier in the post 2 books that were recommended for handicapping and exotic bets and plan to pick them up when I get the chance. I have a few general questions I was hoping someone could answer for me. (sorry ahead of time if they seem obvious)

Where do you guys get your information for races? Are there online sites where you look this up or are you going to OTB places and picking up programs?

Do you bet at OTB sites or do you bet online?

Also for example Kevroc talks about the carry over for certain tracks being so many $$$. Where do you find out this information? Are carry over $$ one of the most important factors in the bets you guys make??

Again any helpful information for someone wanting to get into horse track betting will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks for all the help

Well do you want to be a thoroughbred or harness handicapper? Or both? I dont know many that do both. I am thoroughbreds all the way. I use DRF (Daily Racing Form) for my PP's,and have a solid virtual stable which is offered through Equibase for free,very helpfull. There are several online betting services to choose from,depending on which state you live ofcorse,some states dont allow it. The top 3 imo are Twinspires,Xpressbet,and Youbet.com. All offer live racing video also. Calracing.com is very good for California tracks for a free live feed,and to use as a handicapping tool to look at past races on video,you do have to register to use calracing services though. Dish network is very useful also because they offer HRTV,and TVG which cover several horse tracks for live thoroughbred and harness racing. Hope that helps some.

mrdasefx · 04-13-2009, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by M.Honcho

Well do you want to be a thoroughbred or harness handicapper? Or both? I dont know many that do both. I am thoroughbreds all the way. I use DRF (Daily Racing Form) for my PP's,and have a solid virtual stable which is offered through Equibase for free,very helpfull. There are several online betting services to choose from,depending on which state you live ofcorse,some states dont allow it. The top 3 imo are Twinspires,Xpressbet,and Youbet.com. All offer live racing video also. Calracing.com is very good for California tracks for a free live feed,and to use as a handicapping tool to look at past races on video,you do have to register to use calracing services though. Dish network is very useful also because they offer HRTV,and TVG which cover several horse tracks for live thoroughbred and harness racing. Hope that helps some.

I Just opened an account at twinspires and I am certainly an amateur at handicapping horses but look forward to participating in this thread. I have bet horses before but it consisted of mainly betting the odds. Taking out the favorite and boxing an exacta and such.

From here forward I am going to work harder on learning about capping. Gl all.

MrsFreeze · 04-13-2009, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Jokerz24

How do you get involved in owning a horse or a share of a horse and how much capital is usually needed?

It is extremely pricey to own a horse and to take care of it. It all depends on how much you want to spend you can cliam a horse in a $5,000 race and all the way up to $100,000. You can buy a horse at a auction for as little as $1,000 and all the way up to $16,000,000. A horse named "The Green Monkey" was paid for $16,000,000 and the horse was a huge POS. John Henry who was a great horse was paided for only $25,000.

It costs about $30,000 a year to keep your horse in racing. Trainer fees can cost anywhere from $30-$150 a day. So you kinda would want to be a owner/trainer of the horse or if you have a trainer in the family as myself.

MrsFreeze · 04-13-2009, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevroc

Does this mean that you would like wet turf or that you would like it moved to the main?

The trainer is very close to our family for over 35 years and just reunited with him a few years ago. My family bought this horse at a good bargin back in Sept 07 and we started to run her start of Jan 09, horse is named after my little sister may she RIP. Will know in about a day or two if she is going to run and I will let everyone know as she is on the AE list just got off the phone with him.

Running in a claiming race but Alan said most likely don't have to worry about her getting claimed. If she gets in on the Turf on Thursday to bet her and if it is a sloppy track bet her. We loved to hear that from him as the past two times she ran he told us not to bet her. But said she has a very good chance against who she is running with on Thursday as most never been on the turf.

Will be at Aqudect if she is running if any 2+2ers would like to meet up on Thursday.

I'll let you guys know.

vetiver · 04-16-2009, 05:47 PM

what was the horse's name mrs freeze? how'd she fare?

TripleH68 · 04-16-2009, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by vetiver

what was the horse's name mrs freeze? how'd she fare?

5 Martha's Mandate Victor Santiago 46.60 13.00 8.90

Donk4Life · 04-16-2009, 07:05 PM

Alright, I'm guessing you guys that are betting the Pick 3s are betting on offshore sites instead of on sites like youbet.com and xpressbet. Am I wrong about that?

Which sites are the best and why?

M.Honcho · 04-16-2009, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Donk4Life

Alright, I'm guessing you guys that are betting the Pick 3s are betting on offshore sites instead of on sites like youbet.com and xpressbet. Am I wrong about that?

Which sites are the best and why?

Yes your wrong. Twinspires,Xpressbet,yYoubet,cant go wrong with those 3,depending on your state. Mentioned all this a few post above. Why would you assume offshore sites?

Mrs Freeze horse was a scratch today at Aqueduct.

Kevroc · 04-16-2009, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by M.Honcho

Yes your wrong. Twinspires,Xpressbet,yYoubet,cant go wrong with those 3,depending on your state. Mentioned all this a few post above. Why would you assume offshore sites?

Depending on bonuses offered and/or fixed odds wagering etc etc

Also, the fact that the money doesnt hit the pools.. certain bettors may advantage in playing offshore.

Pick 4 and pick 6 players like myself are probably better going with legal sites where the wagers are co-mingled with the pools.

Donk4Life · 04-16-2009, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevroc

Depending on bonuses offered and/or fixed odds wagering etc etc

Also, the fact that the money doesnt hit the pools.. certain bettors may advantage in playing offshore.

Pick 4 and pick 6 players like myself are probably better going with legal sites where the wagers are co-mingled with the pools.

You were exactly right about my thinking. The money not hitting the pools has to be +EV. I also agree with you on the Pick 6, but if you can play a Pick 4 on a site (I noticed bodog allows Pick 4 wagering) wouldn't you also go with them on the same reasoning?

M.Honcho · 04-16-2009, 10:23 PM

Gotcha,understand what your thinking now. Play all 6's,4's and 3's w/Twinspires and Xpressbet. Use a local for futures for fixed like my $200 on Friesan Fire @ 7/1. Dont trust offshore,sure their plenty safe,just my preference.

MrsFreeze · 04-17-2009, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by M.Honcho

Yes your wrong. Twinspires,Xpressbet,yYoubet,cant go wrong with those 3,depending on your state. Mentioned all this a few post above. Why would you assume offshore sites?

Mrs Freeze horse was a scratch today at Aqueduct.

Yep, late last night I found out was going to post but just signed on. Will give updates, thanks.