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12-01-2019 , 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Honcho
JK the mand days are always solid plays and that is the hardest thing about horse racing you do not really know IF the card has value until you cap the card and depending what your eye tells you after...and of course horse players we can damn near be talked into anything

Not sure what happened to the Highschool Football Thread i hit it pretty good last year and team i have info on is a -3.5 fav ROT 12 on 5D and i thought going in it would be +6.5. Davison has size up front on the O line and a solid decison maker at QB with 2 main play makers at WR and RB. Playing solid all at the right time and making it to the State Finals for its first time in school history.

Brighton (Drew Henson went here) ROT 11 i thought would be favored after taking out Belleville last week which i thought was team to beat in tourney. They are sililar to Davison playing best ball right time and just seem to find a way to win.

2 very similar solid teams going at it tomorrow and should be a great Div 1 Finals at Ford Field. Brighton 28 Davison 24 i just think i take the 3.5 and Brighton here BUT would be happy to lose this bet knowing Davison team well.
Follow this up here quick,hell right now in horse racing No news IS good news for the industry.

Good game glad to see Davison get it done
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UI0IihRRDsQ
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12-02-2019 , 09:49 PM
From a handicapping viewpoint, I over play races and will bet almost all races at tracks I favor if I’m watching on a weekend. I do vary my bet sizing thought if I like a race. Races I’m unsure of, I will once in a while pass or just bet a small amount.

And I just feel mandatory payouts are so much value compared to normal pick 4/5 betting. I tend to always favor chalk in horseracing however when I play mandatories, I tend to try to go deep in a few spots. I like mandatory payout p6s bc even if you get all chalk, they tend to pay very well in comparison to a normal pick4/5/6 with all chalk. I always try to spread a few races in hopes of getting some prices and a big payout.

I’ve been using brisket pps lately and I like them a lot. Make capping easy with how they rank horses on prime power + hive run style information. I feel brisnet pps > drf form w/ beyer speed figs.
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12-08-2019 , 11:11 AM
Went 5/6 again.... played a $480 ticket at aqueduct sigh.

Didn’t have the winner of the remsen (shotski) which was a mistake. The track seemed to favor early speed. Sadly I had the 2nd place horse. He made it very tight at the end but when they made the turn, I could kinda tell no one was catching the front runner. I guess that’s part of the game. Rough bc I had the opening leg which was a 21.40 winner. Also singled spiced perfection and went 3 deep in the cigar mile when I prolly could have went 2 deep (had to include my favorite Whitmore who had success going longer when younger).

Funny story- player shekky shebaz with a 60 dollar win place bet for 120 total. Played a poker tourny yesterday so put bet on the morning. My $120 bet paid 141 which is comical.
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12-11-2019 , 07:24 AM
my wimpy way of winning at racing

I counted cards for many years - I wanted another arena where I could win
I tried at racing - read many books - thought it would be easy
I was shocked - I got crushed - I lost for 16 years - betting small - I knew I didn't have an edge


for the last 4 years I've won every year - small amounts - I don't think of myself as a pro - I'm basically a recreational player - I'm not a hungry gambler anymore - I'm older and pretty comfortable

anyway - what I do is each weekend I pick one very strong horse after looking at maybe
15 different allowance or stakes races

I bet the horse only to show if for various reasons I think that it will not pay a miniscule amount such as $2.60 or less

it's amazing to me how much they sometimes pay - I once had the strongest horse in a short 6 horse field pay $3.20 - I was shocked

several times I've had extremely strong stakes horses pay close to even money if the field is not small - especially on big event days such as the Breeders Cup

this is not bridge jumping stuff - these horses are not odds on

as I said, I've won for the last 4 years after getting beat badly

I know this is a wimpy and boring way for most to bet racing

but I like it - if I try to bet a lot of races I get a headache from the analysis that is necessary - I prefer to cherry pick

I'm sure a lot will say this is a horrible way to bet but if follows a theory I have about sports betting which is that gamblers, being gamblers love big payoffs. because of that, some, certainly not all,small payoffs are edge bets. i.e. most would think that a bet paying only -220 on the NHL is a terrible bet. my experience is not necessarily IMHO.

Last edited by FallawayJumper; 12-11-2019 at 07:35 AM.
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01-15-2020 , 11:31 AM
Horse racing easily the most corrupt of all American sports JUST got a contender with the Astros. IMO what they did as a gambler is sooooo flat out F'd i do not know where to start and stop. If you aint cheatin you aint tryin hey i get it i mean i hate HUD's BUT do not think it is cheating more as a tool available to all who choose to use it. Their WHOLE team KNEW and CHEATED,every F'n one period and the punishment they dole out is a G.M,manager and draft picks? Thats just insane lack of accountability imo hell you have to suspend the whole damn lot of them and everyone associated with them at least 2 years. These are the same a-holes on Halloween that do not take one piece of candy as the note indicates by the bowl thats unattended they take it all,and F everyone else. These fools are sooo lost and corrupt to integrity cant be a mirror in their home,i mean how the hell could you walk past one look at yourself and have a favorable opinion...how? I guess that kind of coin blinds.
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01-19-2020 , 03:25 PM
Watching some Big A right now getting ready for the football games and just caught something on the radio just brought up something i thought was the weirdest explanation i have ever heard BUT just won my wager so just chalked it up as weird or maybe a cultural thing BUT the cat after taking Chapman deap i said F man he was sitting Hi cheese and turned on it...Rounds third now we ALL know game winners you get the chit kicked out of you going to home cover up a little take your lumps you earned them,Altuve was holding on to his shirt which you know at the time i thinking just a litle weird BUT after is interviewed he said was because of his wife or wife didnt like it or some chit like that will have to go back and see if the replay is there somewhere of post game interview but know thats what he said....MAKES SENSE NOW! Proove it? NOPE,but i am calling if its a poker hand.
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01-26-2020 , 01:27 PM
Gulfstream Park 1/26/20

6.) 4-1-6
7.) 6-4-2
8.) 1-9-5
9.) 10-6-8
10.) 2-7-3
11.) 7-10-2

Playable BUT still very tough Mand Pay Rainbow PK6 today at GP but those are your 3 to fade. Will post my exact ticket around 2:30pm est.

* Race#6...#7 trainer is 0/27 in this field sends out first time gelding (cant be a 2nd time right) and gets JC to pick up the mount.

* Rce#7...#2 horse again a trainer 0/21 and a fav that has never won at GP here. Mention these beacuse seems like it will bite me in the azz if i do not just red flags go off.

* Race#8...#9 Trainer 0/0 and gets JC to grab mount here also,#5 gets Paco and is from out of state BUT has won 2 times going to the front and has won at distance and a front riding rider here.

* Races #10,#11...Just too tough by my eye to single in the 10th,and the last going to have to spread some by my eye as well.
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02-18-2020 , 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Honcho
Watching some Big A right now getting ready for the football games and just caught something on the radio just brought up something i thought was the weirdest explanation i have ever heard BUT just won my wager so just chalked it up as weird or maybe a cultural thing BUT the cat after taking Chapman deap i said F man he was sitting Hi cheese and turned on it...Rounds third now we ALL know game winners you get the chit kicked out of you going to home cover up a little take your lumps you earned them,Altuve was holding on to his shirt which you know at the time i thinking just a litle weird BUT after is interviewed he said was because of his wife or wife didnt like it or some chit like that will have to go back and see if the replay is there somewhere of post game interview but know thats what he said....MAKES SENSE NOW! Proove it? NOPE,but i am calling if its a poker hand.
Knew i was right,was not a way to make any $$ from it so just posting up here. This is going to get a LOT worse before it gets better! In baseball terms they sold their soul. No team or opposing players will have an ounce of respect for them,not that they need it BUT MLB is a fraternity of MEN (for the most part) and Astros will ALWAYS be known as OTHER then Men on the field and will be treated as such. Going to get worse.

Once your word dont mean chit either do you!

Glad to see CB is a fan of the HRT also or maybe just thinks same as me 5:30 mark of interview get the answer,but all interview good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9acHgEHtUU
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02-29-2020 , 12:07 PM
Anyone have strong thoughts on early favorites for the derby? Seems like there are 3-4 top horses (nadal, tiz the law, Dennis moment, etc) and everyone else is meh. Hard to say though without seeing the major preps and how they play out. Nadal seems like a beast per last race however it was a bit shorter than the classic distance so hard to say if he can stretch out.

Also thoughts on Saudi cup today? Think I’m playing max security. McKinzie seems like he’s tailing off. Obv I’ll take the us horses over any euro horses on dirt in this spot. Think max security wins but obv hard to say with travel so far away. Hoping his odds aren’t too bet down.
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02-29-2020 , 02:01 PM
What a F'n race!!! The REAL KYD winner also!! 16K claimer my azz,turn your nose if ya want cant take away the $$. real Derby Winner!

MB was across the board on all know how i love her and what a race and ride by MS there. Great race..Irad see what they say about his ride...not good
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02-29-2020 , 03:53 PM
Just bet this cause tsn was showing it (Canadian sports channel). They were hyping up maximum security and they sold me on the story.

Got 250 in at +265, how were the odds earlier?
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03-09-2020 , 03:16 PM
When i first was in horse racing i was so ignorant to the game it was stunning,and i never enjoyed it more...The mornings with today's DRF and capping with some good coffee and sativa...Had no idea the level of corruption BUT when i did turned me off from the sport almost all together and the last 2 years i rarely play or cap a card.

Think about ATS and his rant about this subject and even a couple years in i did not see what he already had.

Think that is what upsets me the most is that "feeling" i use to have about this sport and knowing i will never get that back or feel it again...I would literally want to hurry up and get to sleep and get the next day going so i could do it again .

https://www.paulickreport.com/news/t...hancing-drugs/
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03-13-2020 , 10:36 AM
I imagine this thread is going to get a lot more active now
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03-16-2020 , 09:15 PM
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I imagine this thread is going to get a lot more active now
Will Rogers Downs had a monster handle today... which is saying something.

I think you are right, a lot of sports bettors are starting to look at horses. It's a shame the Keeneland has cancelled their entire spring meet but those horses have to race somewhere, right?

You can make money with horse racing but it certainly isn't easy. If you are a degen with no bankroll mgmt skills... you will lose cash.

My love for poker has faded over the years but I still keep up with the game from a distance. Horse racing is more laid back and it's grown on me over the years.

If I were to give a NEW horse player advice on how to get started:

> Ignore everyone else and do your own research

> Stay away from the early (undercard) races --- Makes notes on how the track is playing -- For example, is the inside rail fast/slow.

> Watch the replays, the past performances are often riddled with errors

> Youtube's HorsePlayerNow Night School series is a very good starting point for beginners. The videos are old but they hit all of the fundamentals.

> Computer Robotic Wagering makes up 20% of the handle --- so watching the film is where you get your edge. This doesn't mean that the bots are unbeatable... bots simply use angles derived from past performances. You get your edge by watching the videos and picking up on things the bots do not.

> Start with Win/Place bets --- Stay away from exotics and horizontals until you get a grip.

Plenty of reading material is available on handicapping horses but many profitable players should simply focus on beating the takeout. This means that you should look for bonuses and rebates...

If you are new player, tons of sites are giving nice first deposit sign up bonuses but read the fine print. Many won't let you cash in on $2.20 show payouts.

With that said, I am about to watch some film. Wish me luck.
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03-17-2020 , 02:01 AM
No KYD till fall? What in the F!! Listen i am getting 20 something together and racing them on the 1st Saturday in May wether it be neighbors dogs or kids or combination of both to fill 20 spots i am betting it. Someone has to take a stand and keep tradition so something is running 1st Saturday of May.

League game Smokey!
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03-17-2020 , 10:03 AM
Right??!!!

NOW **** has gotten real. Crazy.
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03-17-2020 , 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Honcho
No KYD till fall? What in the F!! Listen i am getting 20 something together and racing them on the 1st Saturday in May wether it be neighbors dogs or kids or combination of both to fill 20 spots i am betting it. Someone has to take a stand and keep tradition so something is running 1st Saturday of May.

League game Smokey!
hahaha love it honcho
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03-21-2020 , 06:09 PM
Nice idea Honcho!

Had NY Traffic w/p/s in the LA Derby at 37-1, nice 2nd place finish pays for a few dinners, too bad the jockey took the horse from left to right and back to the left down the backstretch or it might have actually won.
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03-21-2020 , 09:19 PM
Sam Houston announced mandatory payouts shortly before tonight's card started, then canceled their card after the 2nd race. Odds it was truly due to "lighting issue" vs. some behind the scenes pandemonium pressuring cancel? Probably lost $3-5mil in handle... expensive lighting issue.
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03-21-2020 , 09:25 PM
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Nice idea Honcho!

Had NY Traffic w/p/s in the LA Derby at 37-1, nice 2nd place finish pays for a few dinners, too bad the jockey took the horse from left to right and back to the left down the backstretch or it might have actually won.
nice pick! looked like he was going to fade around the turn but just kept coming. shame he drifted so much in the stretch.
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03-22-2020 , 07:56 PM
Seems like the cross over from DFS, Sports Wagering and Poker to Horse Racing would be an easy transition. HorseTourneys and DerbyWars is a good hybrid for those who like DFS/Poker Tourneys.

Horse tracks are the only thing going and I'm surprised more people aren't loading up their accounts and betting. Lots of good bonuses being offered to new players.
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03-24-2020 , 10:19 AM
Well fellas time to show what it means to be an American...Stay in my home for 3 weeks OR may be fined or jailed "news" is trying to tell me...Whoever wrote that is CLUELESS what it is to be an American and who gave me the rights i am afforded..What makes me soooooo special??? I AM AN AMERICAN !

That said....Cant miss me King Cobra Golf Bag and i will be Teeing off at around noon est in the middle of my neighborhood. Figure just going to Tin Cup it with my 7 iron but if take the bag with me doing it feels more official right?

I am not going to be a product of my environment my environment WILL be a product of me.

Honcho
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03-24-2020 , 01:44 PM
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Well fellas time to show what it means to be an American...Stay in my home for 3 weeks OR may be fined or jailed "news" is trying to tell me...Whoever wrote that is CLUELESS what it is to be an American and who gave me the rights i am afforded..What makes me soooooo special??? I AM AN AMERICAN !

That said....Cant miss me King Cobra Golf Bag and i will be Teeing off at around noon est in the middle of my neighborhood. Figure just going to Tin Cup it with my 7 iron but if take the bag with me doing it feels more official right?

I am not going to be a product of my environment my environment WILL be a product of me.

Honcho
*UPDATE*

Proceeded with said plan of action,opened front door neighbor was out cleaning his ride i nodded and said "Hey man you mind moving your ride i am going right thru that way" just being me...He says "You serious?" I told him "Ive got a 7 iron dont I? He mummbled something was walking off i said "Man i am just kidding dont move it' he said "I wasnt i am going to get my mace"

LMAO...Not smart enough to make this chit up,you all saw my spelling thru the years BUT tomorrow thru 6 feet of seperation and an open field next to us will be a clothes basket and 2 guys opposite ends with their wedges trying to stick it in on the fly for $20's...Why 20's? Because all the damn ATM has banks closed!

Resurrection of Christ called off guess 1st time in 2020 years i hear keep the big rock in place order in our state,hoping to get it in on the fall i guess to flatter the KYD the day prior.
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03-25-2020 , 09:38 AM
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Seems like the cross over from DFS, Sports Wagering and Poker to Horse Racing would be an easy transition. HorseTourneys and DerbyWars is a good hybrid for those who like DFS/Poker Tourneys.

Horse tracks are the only thing going and I'm surprised more people aren't loading up their accounts and betting. Lots of good bonuses being offered to new players.
This sport is done it just does not know it yet. Love the horses BUT the humans F'd it up so bad there is no coming back. When you can not trust the product and that is ALL thats been in the news past 2 years now is negative just the most lets call them vulnerable gamblers will play. Bonuses coming from places now that NEVER offer them.

Just cant trust the people in the sport and if i cant trust you i have no use for you is where i have been with this sport.
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03-28-2020 , 11:30 AM
Florida Derby running today. Gulfstream park has one of the park streams on their website. It is definitely not a compromise watching this over baseball and basketball.

I don't care to do the research, so I'm just going to make likely losing move of making across the board, boxed trifecta, and boxed exacta bets based on the different commentators picks.
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