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06-07-2015 , 12:12 AM
So that's what a Triple winner looks like huh. Way better I get it. Yeah during the pace I was like you can't, he is gonna, too late. Cool horse, hope we get to see him against older.
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06-07-2015 , 12:31 AM
Huge shout out to the classy fans at Belmont who kept cheering a great horse, and a once in a lifetime moment.

Totally Cool New York.
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06-07-2015 , 01:09 AM
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lol! espinozas a douche but im very happy for the rest of the connections including the horse but most of all horse racing itself which has desperately needed a TC winner for a positive shot in the arm for a very long time
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06-07-2015 , 01:49 AM
What should horse racing do with a "shot in the arm"?
What will it do?
Raise rakes, purses and prices?
If they close Pim. at least give us a statue of the last one that did it.
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06-07-2015 , 06:42 AM
I couldn't lose down the homestretch, so that was nice.

Gg AP. That was great.
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06-07-2015 , 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by prickly00
What should horse racing do with a "shot in the arm"?
What will it do?
Raise rakes, purses and prices?
If they close Pim. at least give us a statue of the last one that did it.
To try to answer the 1st question prickly that is all it was a shot in the arm. Just like a smack head that shot in the arm will give all what they need in the short term but the shot never last and you always need another fix.

You could make a 100 mile horse wagering facility and charge patrons by the footstep and you know us "smack head" horse players would show up (granted taking bigger steps ) and the place would still lose money because of the people in position at the top be it corrupt or flat out inept. No overall understanding of a take down at any track on a consistent basis,the takeouts as you speak,and as i said back in the winter an overall shrinking of the tracks itself with the latest media foreplay all Pimlico week of how bad the facility is etc trying to lay the ground work so next year we can go to youtube and watch what went down at old Hollywood Park.

Guess what i am trying to say is even a triple crown winner as awesome as it was was more for us people in the sport and in no way is it going to save the sport or even bring any significant more outside interest into it outside of yesterday itself if it is still ran the way it is and has been. If horse racing was a boom town right now it needs a sheriff and fast and not that the laws are being broken but if they are the rules are defined and given out absolute and immediate not a suspension from an infraction a year back.
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06-07-2015 , 11:18 AM
thought i won on belmont #11 with a tri on 567, turns out I bet on race #12 w 567 and won a lot more lol
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06-07-2015 , 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by MidWestSide
Had to listen to it on the radio just watched a replay no one challenged him set pace won going away. Will be retired surely.
Not at all. Owners want to keep running him. Baffert said 3 more races this year with the goal being the Classic (obviously).
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06-07-2015 , 12:39 PM
Racing in America will continue its gradual decline when it makes awful decisions like running the Breeders Cup at Keeneland this year with seating capacity for just 28,000 when Saturday BC crowds are usually about 60,000. It just makes no sense to hold the BC at Keeneland.

Tracks must show more respect for the fans.
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06-07-2015 , 12:52 PM
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Racing in America will continue its gradual decline when it makes awful decisions like running the Breeders Cup at Keeneland this year with seating capacity for just 28,000 when Saturday BC crowds are usually about 60,000. It just makes no sense to hold the BC at Keeneland.

Tracks must show more respect for the fans.
There are a lot of reasons why racing is on a decline. Where the BC is run is not one of them. Keeneland is the most prestigious track in the country. Some will make an argument for Toga but Keeneland is the Augusta National of horse racing. What do you want the BC to do? Run the BC in California every year? That's surely not the answer. Even if they did run the BC in California every year, it wouldn't help or hurt racing.
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06-07-2015 , 01:57 PM
Santa Anita 6/7/15

1.) 6-4-2
2.) 6-2-3
3.) 5-1-2
4.) 5-8-9
5.) 5-4-9
6.) 1-5-6
7.) 9-8-3
8.) 6-7-4
9.) 4-2-10

Looks like a tough card today at SA.
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06-07-2015 , 02:22 PM
Have you been to Keeneland?

Prestigious does not make it suitable for a breeders cup. Comparing to August National is about the worst analogy possible. August National is a facility that has been cared for and built up and maintained to the highest standards since world war 2.

Keeneland has old small stalls, very small shedrows, limited stable space for horse and human alike. The whole facility is from another era, it is and was a nice country track. There isn't even hardly any space to turn horse vans around and unload horses. Getting to the saddling paddock , and the whole saddling paddock area is dangerous to the horses as well as fans. You want some security also for your prized thoroughbred, you better hire your own 24 hour guard service because it's very easy to walk into the grounds. Where are all these people going to park after the media has taken the twenty parking spaces, they will need shuttles from down the road.

I happen to love keeneland, but for what it is. I feel so sorry for the Breeders Cup horsemen who come here and try to figure out this place , and the track surfaces, and all the nuances. God help us if it rains and they close the main track for morning gallops.
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06-07-2015 , 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by grenzen
Have you been to Keeneland?

Prestigious does not make it suitable for a breeders cup. Comparing to August National is about the worst analogy possible. August National is a facility that has been cared for and built up and maintained to the highest standards since world war 2.

Keeneland has old small stalls, very small shedrows, limited stable space for horse and human alike. The whole facility is from another era, it is and was a nice country track. There isn't even hardly any space to turn horse vans around and unload horses. Getting to the saddling paddock , and the whole saddling paddock area is dangerous to the horses as well as fans. You want some security also for your prized thoroughbred, you better hire your own 24 hour guard service because it's very easy to walk into the grounds. Where are all these people going to park after the media has taken the twenty parking spaces, they will need shuttles from down the road.

I happen to love keeneland, but for what it is. I feel so sorry for the Breeders Cup horsemen who come here and try to figure out this place , and the track surfaces, and all the nuances. God help us if it rains and they close the main track for morning gallops.
Yes.

The point that I was trying to make was the Breeders Cup could be held at Santa Anita, Keeneland or Belmont. Either way, it's not going to help or hurt the sport. The same people that bet the races and run in them are going to do it regardless of (Breeders Cup caliber) track. If the Breeders Cup brass thinks that Keeneland is fit to host a Breeders Cup, then who am I to say their not? As a fan and player of the sport I personally think its good to mix it up and not have it at the same location year after year. It's not like their running it at Parx, this is Keeneland were talking about.

The Keeneland meets are the two meets a year that most horse players look forward to. Just as the Masters is the tournament that most golf fans look forward to. That's the analogy I attempted to make but it clearly went over your head.

You can look at any track in the world and come up with something that is wrong with it. Is Keeneland perfect? No, I never said it was. But either was Lone Star, Monmouth or any other track that has hosted a BC. As far as parking and shuttles that's par for the course. This is nothing new for the residents in the Louisville area. When Valhalla hosted the Ryder Cup in Louisville they had zero parking onsite. Every person in attendance was forced to take a shuttle. It didn't stop patrons from attending that event or the 2014 PGA Championship that was held there last year.

Feel sorry for the Breeders Cup horseman? You're acting as if the event is being held in Thailand at a track that no one has ever been to before. 99% of the connections that have a horse running at Keeneland during the BC will have at least 1 person in their camp (Owner, trainer, etc) that has been to and had animals run at Keeneland in the past. These aren't just random people showing up in random races. Their the best at what they do, running for the biggest of purses and will make whatever adjustments that are needed.

All in all I love that Keeneland is hosting the Breeders Cup and I'm just as excited that Del Mar is hosting in 2017.

Last edited by BBB624; 06-07-2015 at 05:39 PM.
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06-07-2015 , 05:55 PM
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Not at all. Owners want to keep running him. Baffert said 3 more races this year with the goal being the Classic (obviously).
That's great to hear. Hope he races the breeders cup classic. I'll be there.
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06-07-2015 , 06:10 PM
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That's great to hear. Hope he races the breeders cup classic. I'll be there.
I'm with you 100%.
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06-08-2015 , 01:20 AM
Irish Pharaoh futures line guess?
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06-08-2015 , 08:13 AM
I really need to learn how to construct better tickets to maximize profits. How would a ticket be constructed in the following situation that actually occurred on Saturday.

10 horse field: I loved the 7 horse at 14-1. I also really liked the 3 horse to get a piece of an exotic. Did not like the 10 at all.

So how do you construct a superfecta ticket, that singles the 7 up top, throws out the 10 completely. And is it valuable info knowing the 3 will be in the money somewhere?
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06-08-2015 , 09:15 AM
While I don't have a good answer for you EB, I'm interested in the discussion.

I spend a lot of time rehashing these days even when I have a big day and always find ways where I did not maximize my profit.

I've taken to these big days taking the card and handicapping out to three horses in each race with a combination of some video work, capping on pedigree, trying to figure out a pace scenario or some other knowledge (ie tip,training report, jockey, trainer, etc). It is incredibly time consuming.

I then try and look at each race individually and establish the best ticket based on my feelings on the race.

So if I love the 7 as a 15-1 shot and I think the 3 will hit the board at let's say a 3/1. I'll try to figure who the third best horse is. Let's say the 6. I'll work on who will be coming late and who will be fading. Let's say 7 comes late and the 3 is out in front while the 6 likes to stalk the pace. Now if I can put a full line through the 10 and four other horses that I am sure don't belong, I will build a super ticket with the 3,7/3,6,7/1,3,6,7,9/all.

I have found over the years though the reason why the super and tri pay so much is they are damn hard to hit on a regular basis.
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06-08-2015 , 10:13 AM
The best. The king. Gg. Garett gomez put out a statment official gone from the game
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06-08-2015 , 06:01 PM
Was the 7 Slumber? Maybe not 11 in the field. Wish I knew that horse was gonna run like it was 2013, woulda backed into 5/6.
Love a 14/1-wheel away
7/3cd/3cd/all but 10
I would be throwing something like these when there is love involved.
DD all/7 7/all
P3 all/ABC/7 all/7/ABC 7/all/ABC 7/ade/all
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06-08-2015 , 07:35 PM
My angle on Slumber is I always look for horses who train on the turf for a turf race. I believe he was the only one in the field with recent works on the turf. Had 50 to win and place at least.
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06-08-2015 , 07:37 PM
I'm not good enough to pick horses getting 2nd and 3rd. I do have an uncanny ability to pick winners though.
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06-08-2015 , 10:48 PM
Wow well congrats on the nice hit there.
You don't play multi race tickets? Slumber was worth over a hundred grand that day. Winners like that are worth stacks. On a day with fields like that and you don't have to guess who runs second/third
For me VE day gets beat and had to single that race chose BBkitten. Lotta competitive horses in that race I guess your angle was the difference.
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06-08-2015 , 11:06 PM
I don't construct tickets very well yet. I have the Betting Exotics book, so might have to do some studying. Saratoga coming up and I really want to be able to capitalize.
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06-08-2015 , 11:48 PM
Cool well enjoy the knowledge gathering and 15/1 shots for sure are to be had at Spa so good luck.
Doesn't get much better than sweating a live pick 5 or 6. Constructing tickets cost is everything. Get what you want and don't overpay. Use a bet calculator like equibase practice.
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