Semper Fi aph...Ya aph F'd up all around and makes no sense because you KNOW how 1 brother feels about another even when its from another mother...nice to have you itt brother!

American Pharoah is the wild card here right now? Is BB pampering him because of ownership or is there something there? TR imo is the real deal and everything i have read on clocker reports and twitter says KD has this horses in game shape. What to make of Calculator? No field but went into the stands to win for fun and there is always a horse end feb beg march from Arkansas that always pops up.

Byk today had a good interview with the guy from the LVRJ and discussed as i mentioned before to you pdiggz about syn play when it comes to big tournaments and his instance where he knew a beard was in position to take down the NHC and knew it and why they now have the double Q's to avoid this as much as possible...I am of the opinion for the NHC you should have 1 ticket but then how do you generate action once you Q to it so i see the need.

congrats honcho great news for you and the family.

3yr olds - look to florida

Great to see him back at. The older division should be great this year hope all stay healthy!

this is one of my favorite plays. fade the bridgejumpers. the 3/5 favorite took 75+% of the show action. this was their 2nd career start, haha not a smart bridgejump

Thanks a lot pdiggz and nice hit there man. I am always looking for this play myself along with the negative show pools.

Santa Anita 1/23/15

1.) 9-4-5
2.) 1-6-5
3.) 5-4-1
4.) 8-5-6
5.) 9-1-7
6.) 5-2-6
7.) 8-6-2
8.) 6-4-10

Today's card looks like a tough one and the back nine looks like a sob with the 5th being the most wide open imo today.

I am on Klay Thompson in the 3rd today at SA

Congrats Honcho from an only occasional contributor to this thread.

Funny story from today. About a month ago I get a tip about the Zito horse in the Holy Bull. The quote was " When he fires he is incredible and they think they have it figured out and are aiming him for the Holy Bull."

So I happen to be by the track today. I figure I'll throw in a bet on him just because a tip from this guy is rare & normally accurate.

However, I find out that currently because of some sort of negotiation I can't bet Gulfstream at my home track. Fortunately, I decided not to bet online either. I remembered the lesson I learned years ago. Don't bet prep races.

god what a cluster****. how f'd up is horse racing that they wont take peoples bets. horse racing is tanking and they wont take bets, haha ok great plan guys. got the biggest morons running these tracks. jeez

SA 115k P6 carryover, go get that paper!

Sluss thanks a lot man i appreciate that and do not be a stranger.

To try and help out on how i heard it on Byk a couple weeks back about the signal not being shown or bets taken i believe is a east coast thing with Stronach being at the center of this with the tracks. The way the rep for Stronach explained it is that they offered to do business as usual while in negotiations but the tracks refused.

At the center of the mess is ofcorse $$$ and if i hear right by the rep of Stronach and he did sound believable although we always show the rose colored glass side of our own positions. The split as i heard it is 70/30 with the tracks where the wager is placed gets the 70 and the track the race was actually run at gets the 30. That model does imo seem backwards. The reason so as i heard it was a track like Atlantic City which is now no live racing is still accepting otb at their track and getting the 70% and really contributing nothing more than a platform to wager. Why would not more tracks open and offer just otb style and collect the lions share of the split.

The tracks know they only have any positional strength is if they stick together and i believe rely on the hot headed horseplayer like myself who could give a chit less about the politics involved and just want to get down on a play. So they decided not to allow simulcast or wagering imo.

It will get figured out but the horse tracks will imo be consolidated to where there are just going to be a few SA and CHD's with bringing the track inside your home with adw. Who does not like being able to work in NY and LA or Miami in the same day...well some of us in miami

by the way you are correct imo honcho, the wager taker is no big deal anyone can take a bet they should get less than the track actually running the race. the system is totally broke so i get why the track like GP is holding out but you get nothing if you dont take bets. and you risk losing gamblers permenantly. to make matters worse ADWs get a solid % and most of them dont run races at all. TS is owned by CD but like BetAmerica or BetPTC i dont think tracks own those. ifthey dont come together and figure it out everything will eventually blow up. horse racing seems to want to distance itself from gambling but thats the hand that feeds it.

solid day at the races for me but getting f'd in DFS NBA. all the 'value' guys have killed me. i need nene hilario to have a big 2nd half to salvage a total trainwreck

by the way 4 of the 5 games tonight sucked total ass. 3 blowouts and a brickfest. hilario a ghost in the 2nd half. even so looks like i win my big buy-in, lose the small ones haha.

top scorer in all games oj mayo and he doesnt start. went 1/6 in double ups and won my top buy-in so lucky

Hey pdiggz i have not watched an NBA game since the Pistons won the Championship and i have no clue what year that was. I just saw the highlight on espn front page 1st thing and saw that kid went bonkers in the 3rd. I am good for the rest of my life is i ever see another one absolute no interest.

Going to cap SA and hope to make a couple $$. I have not saw any of the NHC which is fine i was not competing in it so no interest watching really i will see who wins i am sure. My %'s were off too now remembering back the 70/30 is what Stronach would agree to the split now as i recall is 85/15 even worse for the track running the race...A facility that just takes bets and gets 85% and a facility that employs 100's of horsemen (for arguments sake we will say the are not illegals) just seems not right. I know if i was a horse trainer i would have my chit together and would never hire an illegal to work on the backside period. I think that is one of the biggest problems with the sport it starts right there when everyone turns a blind eye to something as simple as that it is easy to turn blind. But that is just me.

i like baseball but im hot and cold with other sports, usually cold. but i figure i like the action and if i can have a little fun and i can clear some bonus and not completely lose my shirt playing the games then might as well. still debatable about how bad i am at it, so shirt might get lost

I hear ya pdiggz that is funny stuff man but hell ya have fun...I am pretty solid at NFL just hate today's NFL so i do not get down on it like i use to. I have shared plays with a friend for last 3yrs and he is convinced after last weekend i am charmed Just lucky in that spot...Baseball was my best sport and i still enjoy it but not at all like before. The money these cats make and effort i see for it just turns me off. If baseball heads down the road they are any further it will be gone to me too. No running over the catcher? MF'r please lol...Once the say a HR is not a HR because of some silly chit like the batter was stepping on the chalk line and the HR DQ'd i am all done...Then the talking heads on tv and radio can discuss it at length forever because that is what we want to hear

Santa Anita 1/25/15

1.) 2-7-6
2.) 1-4-6
3.) 5-8-1
4.) 3-7-9
5.) 5-1-6
6.) 10-1-8
7.) 8-10-13
8.) 5-1-9
9.) 8-4-14

Tough card imo and going to need to spread some in the 6-8th in the exotics. Best of luck to all itt on their plays today.

HANA (Horseplayers Association of North America) has put out another unbelievably informative e-newsletter again for Horseplayers. Lots of handicapping insight. And it is free http://horseplayersassociation.org/jan15issue.pdf

joe talamo on home run kitten #2 right now going for the double. kaigun the fav 6/5 kitten 7/2 put it in

win place 2 talamo home run kitten double your place bet from win

ouch no good 3rd loser today

I forget what it's like to make a win or place bet. Should try it just for level.

** Grunching**

I successfully lay horses (bet on them to lose, act as a bookie) online in UK Racing.

I have a database which is my bible, it shows me trainer trends, stats, angles which are profitable.

One of the really good angles is sires which won't get a certain distance, or in UK there are different courses which expose a horses weakness (surface, bends, undulations etc)
Aswell as other negatives which show positive ROI as a layer.

Is there anything like this available? It all relies on information and not PP's or racecards but more or less a database or program.

Is there anywhere with solid Sire statistics, without having to pay for each sire individually?
I have excel files with every race result + starting price on certain USA tracks that betfair allow SP laying on.


Really appreciate your help, and if any of you guys want help on UK racing give me a shout.

Santa Anita 2/1/15

3.) 7-8-3
4.) 7-5-10
5.) 9-3-11
6.) 8-4-2
7.) 10-8-7
8.) 12-7-2

Forgot to post watching pregame junk

I am on Patriots -1 @ -101 put in yesterday thinking line would go other way today

Pats 2nd quarter (#1 in stat by decent margain this year)
18-34pt win both either comes to 9/1shot
+props Gronk etc