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07-25-2012 , 02:03 PM
Hello, I read the FAQs and also posted initially in the Beginners Questions subforum but couldn't get a good answer to this question.

I live in Texas. I currently have a bet runner in Vegas who places the bets I tell him to place. I have been told that this is illegal under both Nevada and Texas law, and I believe it, but I was hoping to get confirmation. I've done a bit of research myself and have reached the same conclusion, but y'all would know more than I would.

Assuming it is illegal, is there any legal way to bet sports from Texas? I know the risk of prosecution is very low, but I'd rather do things legally than illegally.

Thanks for your help.

Last edited by PropPlayer; 11-21-2012 at 09:06 AM. Reason: title change
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07-25-2012 , 02:18 PM
the other options are way more illegal.
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07-25-2012 , 02:29 PM
Maybe he is just pocketing the money and free-rolling you, in which case you are not doing anything illegal as far as I can tell.
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07-25-2012 , 08:04 PM
No, he's definitely placing the bets. I figured I didn't have a better option, but just wanted to see if anyone had any ideas.
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07-26-2012 , 01:56 AM
who gives a ****. f those stupid laws.
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07-30-2012 , 11:05 AM
I think someone said that if the runner has a piece then it's OK, so give him 1% or something instead of his usual compensation?
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08-21-2012 , 03:50 PM
Im located in las vegas and am curious to know if any casinos will allow you to bet teasers for the NFL regular season. I would like to tease houston from 8.5 down to 2.5 in a 6pt -110 teaser and would like to get my bet in before the line to moves to 9 (sure looks like it will)

Does anyone know if any casinos will let you tease games yet?? Thanks!!
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08-21-2012 , 04:06 PM
teasers here are horrible compared to online. wouldn't waste $
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11-09-2012 , 12:11 AM
I have been researching this topic and if anyone can bring me up to speed I would appreciate it.

I've heard it's illegal if you live outside of Nevada but no one ever gets in trouble. I've heard (myth?) if the person placing the bet has some of his money in the action then it's okay (loophole).

I've searched 2+2 and bumped an old thread but didn't get a response.

Thanks.
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11-09-2012 , 12:36 AM
I've heard the same many times. I think technically the person taking and placing the bets would be working as a bookmaker or agent and violating some law or another (being in the business of accepting bets). As far as rules go would be difficult to enforce. If they have a stake then you're in a partnership and conducting the bets legally. Again just confirming same you've heard is same I've always heard too.

What I can add is casino employees are generally allowed access to machines, poker room and sportsbooks. Until about 4 years ago I knew a table game dealer who was placing bets for others in the casino he worked. The fact he was often betting cumulatively well over the size of his pay check in casino he was employed no one cared. Not sure what the floor staff thought of it but pretty common knowledge inside the books (including casino he worked at and others) that was he wasn't placing his own bets.
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11-09-2012 , 12:39 AM
Could use vpn from phone and use Cantor's sportsbook
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11-09-2012 , 12:47 AM
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Could use vpn from phone and use Cantor's sportsbook
Don't they reject most bets though? I think I've read about sharps like Haralabob and Sharky having problems.
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11-09-2012 , 01:06 PM
thanks for the replies. I'm not that gangster with my phone to use a vpn and screen my location. I'm sure I'd screw it up and they'd catch me.

I actually have a friend who moved to Vegas who would make bets for me, but the last thing I want is him to get in trouble.

Anyone else have anything to add to what PropPlayer said?
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11-09-2012 , 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by GuidaClayAllDay
thanks for the replies. I'm not that gangster with my phone to use a vpn and screen my location. I'm sure I'd screw it up and they'd catch me.

I actually have a friend who moved to Vegas who would make bets for me, but the last thing I want is him to get in trouble.

Anyone else have anything to add to what PropPlayer said?
how in the world would he get caught?
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11-22-2012 , 09:02 PM
I cant imagine the cluster **** headache that would be having someone run bets in vegas. I hope you really really trust this guy.
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08-17-2014 , 11:22 PM
Quick question here, do brick and mortar sportsbooks out in Vegas offer a way to place bets online? I know I could get an international account, but was wondering if those places have that capability also. Thanks
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08-17-2014 , 11:48 PM
I believe that William Hill, Cantor (AKA CG Gaming), NVSportsbook (which is South Point's online counterpart), and SportsConnection (which is Station's online counterpart) all offer online gaming.

I know for certain that those four offer mobile app gaming within Nevada borders on your smartphone.

I THINK that they all offer online gaming as well. Usually they require that you have a Cox Internet connection to verify that you're connecting to their site from within the Las Vegas Valley.

I've never personally used their online platforms, and have stuck to mobile betting. So I can't personally vouch for the quality of the online services.

That said, if you have any questions about the mobile platforms, I'm happy to answer them.
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08-17-2014 , 11:58 PM
Awesome, thanks for the help !
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10-25-2014 , 12:02 PM
I found this thread when searching to ask my question. Have a friend that lives in vegas. Know the guy and he's a pretty good guy. He however doesn't bet much sports, if he does its 5 and 10 dollars here and there. He however is a pretty big sportsfan for his home teams before he moved to vegas. I bet mostly offshore but there are quite a good of games where few of the vegas casinos have a better number. So obviously i would want to have the bets made at the best number i can get. I can bet all i need to offshore but the thing is when i see games where its +6.5 offshore and its +7 in vegas, obviously i want to get the +7. Or even if its not a key number, i would still want the extra 1/2 or 1 point. Some games however i see 1.5 or even 2 point discrepancy as well.


I would want him to be betting $500 and $1000 per game and possibly more on other games. The thing is he's pretty lazy and doesn't like to leave the house much. So i had figured i could get him to get accounts with online apps such as Cantor, Stations, William Hill and Southpoint. From what i researched, limits are mostly $1000 and $500 except Cantor would be higher on gameday. However, most of the numbers i would want him to bet would be at the casinos with no app such as Westgate, Wynn and MGM Properties. So obviously this is going to be an issue as that would require him to get out of the house and drive to the strip. However its pretty quick from the strip from where he is at. The issue with this however is i spoke to few ppl and they said after a while, your stations and william hill app acct will get limited. So would this mean thats pretty useless then?


As for the money issue, he would never have any money at risk as i would be sending him money to fund accounts at his online accounts and for him to bet at the actual sportsbook. Though i don't believe he would want to do this as he leaves the house 2x max a week. As for how we would settle the money, he would just do a bank transfer to me every month or so or a bit longer. My question for you guys is if he agrees to do this, how much should he get for making wagers for me? Again, i can easily lose so if im losing, there wouldn't be any profit for him but i still have to give him money for making the bets for me would u all agree? The thing is if he does it all on the cantor app etc, it isn't that tough but if it does go to the actual casinos, then i have to pay him for this.


The thing is he's currently retired and wouldn't mind some extra money. So if he were to agree, how shoudl it work out? Should he get percentage of the profits or should he get a fixed amount or would it be fixed amount and only percentage of the profits if i had a winning month? Or should it be every 2 months or is that too long? And what would be a fair percentage as all the risk would be on me and he's basically just betting for me while in vegas.


I know ppl who have others do this are called runners. But the amounts i will be betting is pretty small compared to those guys who use runners. Im going to assume the guy that created this thread probably want his friend in vegas to bet minimum $2000 a game. Again, i can easily bet these amounts offshore but some of the numbers in vegas are pretty juicy. Also this is a guy i trust. The thing is if you flip the situation around and a friend wanted me to bet for him but it only required me to do it on the app, i wouldn't consider it that big of a deal but if it requires me to go to sportsbook, then thats a different story. Would be interested in what people here have to say.
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10-25-2014 , 03:54 PM
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Don't they reject most bets though? I think I've read about sharps like Haralabob and Sharky having problems.
yup... they reject all the time over $500... even worse is their pending approval from the mobile app doesn't always tell you if it's rejected or still pending... sometimes, I'll get one approved 15m later... They suck... regulated gaming sucks
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10-25-2014 , 04:38 PM
10% of net profit.

which basically eliminates the value of the extra 1/2 point.
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10-25-2014 , 04:49 PM
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10% of net profit.

which basically eliminates the value of the extra 1/2 point.


But isn't it still bad if i have net loss and my friend does these wagers for me and then he wouldn't make any money though?


Yea i understand the 10 percent of net process would eliminate the value of the 1/2 point. But i do see some games that are 1 or even 2 points off sometimes.


But if i were to do this based on 10 percent of net profit, how long would you say there should be a settle? Not sure if thats the right word since im not betting against him like a bookie but like should it be once a month, once every 2 months? Obviously it won't be once a week or twice a month as i could have positive week then i have negative week so then he would make profit on net weeks but on my losing weeks, then nothing would happen.


Would like to know how long should be a settle. I'm thinking 1 month or even 2 months should be about right?
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10-25-2014 , 04:51 PM
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yup... they reject all the time over $500... even worse is their pending approval from the mobile app doesn't always tell you if it's rejected or still pending... sometimes, I'll get one approved 15m later... They suck... regulated gaming sucks

Which app are you talking about? I assume you are talking about stations or william hill or south point and not cantor?


That doesn't make sense. So you make a $500 bet on the app, then you wouldn't know if the bet gone through until 15 minutes later? That is ridiculous if thats true. It doesn't even matter if its a $20 bet or $1000 bet, you should know whether a bet has gone through or not the moment you make the wager. Can someone else confirm if this is true or not?
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10-25-2014 , 06:41 PM
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10% of net profit.

which basically eliminates the value of the extra 1/2 point.
That's not even close to true unless you're using some ridiculously short settlement period with no carryover.
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10-25-2014 , 07:19 PM
depends on volume and his friend's willingness to chill at a casino or travel between them for a few hours a few times a week, which doesn't sound like something he wants to do/will do for cheap.

if he's betting 40 games every weekend where he's getting a point, yeah sure.

if he's betting 2?
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