PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 175.86 BB (VPIP: 18.87, PFR: 14.47, 3Bet Preflop: 6.76, Hands: 161)
Hero (SB): 149.99 BB
BB: 129.37 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 18.10, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 108)
UTG: 82.07 BB (VPIP: 24.62, PFR: 4.62, 3Bet Preflop: 3.70, Hands: 69)
MP: 114.46 BB (VPIP: 23.26, PFR: 16.28, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 44)
CO: 181.4 BB (VPIP: 25.64, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 3.33, Hands: 78)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A Q

fold, MP raises to 3 BB, CO calls 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 12 BB, fold, MP calls 9 BB, CO calls 9 BB

Flop: (37 BB, 3 players) 2 9 Q
Hero bets 16 BB, MP calls 16 BB, fold

Turn: (69 BB, 2 players) T
Hero checks, MP bets 24.67 BB


No reads on the dude. bad card ott obv, how do you interpret his sizing? what's the plan?

Start by calling I guess

Jam or fold. I lean towards jamming given stack sizes and the fact that there are a lot of hands that play it the same way that picked up more equity with a straight draw.

I can't see the point of turning AQ into a bluff by jamming. Folding has to be bad, hero is at the top of his checking range.

I think I value bet turn, but c/c can't be bad if you are giving up this turn very frequently.

I presumed his question was what to do after checking and getting bet into. Perhaps that made the question too easy, because I think folding here is a leak and a big one, given that hero has a lot of equity on the range of hands that can play it like this that we are ahead of.

Now, if the question if it is better to value-bet the turn, in lieu of checking, that's another question altogether.

Betting turn feels better to me then checking. Villain will have a fair few Jx and worse pairs to continue with so there's definitely some value to be had somewhere, whereas there actually aren't a ton of floats/bluffs/draws in his range to induce from by checking now.

Yeah when I look on the hand again betting seems better then checking but then again I'm not sure how much EV are we gaining from b/c and the times we seeing the river (obv when we b/f our EV is 0 or alternativlly we end up with less x$ we bet).

Ten is a great a great card for villan to jam over his draws since it helps his range a lot (complete KJ,9Ts,QTs,J8s,TT - near 30 combos). It makes the descion we make harder.

I'll try to build a tree for a line that starts with betting later on.

pre is clearly a flat

+1

lol

These forums are flooded with useless one-liners like this.

No, pre certainly is not "clearly" a flat. A "clear" decision to me would be folding queen high against an openjam. This spot is actually open for debate.

It's like people think when they spice their post with fancy superlatives it becomes more important or something, so they can save themselves the trouble of actually explaining their point.

/end rant

I'd hope you would be checking to c/c here...

j8s hmm? not even a MP open for me let alone df v 3b.

bet more on the flop. and most likely betting the turn since we are HU
and lol to someone who says clear flat pre

looks a flat to me...

lolnirwanda, not everybody wants to spoonfeed regs on an open forum. one liners seem fine, think for yourself or with others in your skype groups (or just totally dismiss it because its a one liner, im sure woolly would prefer the last option)

probably a bit too loose (and judging his stats he is probably not openning it as well) but df pepole are openning it from MP.

Assuming he jams all his draws over a bet, b/c seems horrible:

Board: 2h9sQhTc
Equity Win Tie
MP2 22.03% 22.03% 0.00% { AhQc }
MP3 77.97% 77.97% 0.00% { TT-99, KJs, QTs, J8s+, T9s, AhJh, AhTh, Ah9h, Kh9h, Ah8h, 9h8h }

I assume pepole who are betting the turn are going fold to raise.

Still have to analyze the EV of a bet that leads to a call and anther street but then again if thats his range for raising does he even has a range for calling a 2nd barrel which isn't KQ/QJ/JJ?

Given that, again, I question how proftiable a bet ott is.

I like betting turn as well , I think PF is fine

I could point out that I think you're a little guilty of the same offence you're complaining of :P

But I agree with you.

I'm in the 3b pre camp and I think it's standard.

I would be grateful if burns/woolly would care to elucidate further on the argument for flatting.

What are the merits in 3betting AQos vs MP? Is it a bluff 3bet because I can't see anything worse really flatting your 3bet besides KQs

^j8s man