No real reads on V. It was an insta-raise.

My experience is the nuts or close too it. He tried to slow play and now he's trying to catch up on all the value missed

Weirdo line really, but folding is def. the right play here.


I think betting turn is good, just don't let Villan realize his equity and you will have the best hand really often. Don't think we get a lot of value, but we have equity when called or we are ahead sometimes.

The $1 bet sizing seems like a good way to lose an extra dollar for no good reason to hands that we beat...

Never has this gif been more relevant than this very moment.

Not sure if trolling or blocker bets have gone out of style... Seems like a totally legit way to lose less against 9x and get calls from 6x/5x/4x.

He's not trolling and his gif is totally relevant.

Hand plays far better as a bluff catcher.

If we check we lose even less against 9x and with that betsizing it makes it really easy for villain to raise all sorts hands against us and we have to fold.

Also I would argue blocker bets are much more useful in hands where we have been the agressor going into the river and the river is a real board changing card that helps villlain's range more than ours, but not so much we feel we have to check.

In this example we've checked 2 streets prior and have some pretty good showdown value since the flop and turn checked through. By betting you've pretty much given villain the perfect opportunity to deny you your showdown value by claiming the whole pot plus you donated an extra dollar to boot.

I don't think I ever bet the river here, but if you wanted to I'd bet larger than <1/4 pot.

The problem is that I don't believe V will bet worse on the river IP - I see no reason for him to bet a SDV hand worse than ours (but probably bets a lot of better hands) and since he didn't bluff earlier in the hand I don't really expect him to bluff now, as a general population read of both regs and fish; what hand does he decide to bluff with now? I also doubt that most players will immediately catch onto this being a blocker bet; there are a large number of fish that will bet this size with their good hands and snapcall a raise.

So what if he doesn't bet worse? I doubt villain bets much at all. I want to get to showdown here and claim the pot. I mean this is like the worse 'value bet' ever.

Why would you want to choose a betting line that most fish choose even if it's with a different range?

I'm betting here because I can expect a call from worse. I don't expect to get raised as a bluff (I didn't expect to get raised at all, hence posting the thread), so I can bet/fold freely. Why do you just want to get to showdown with what is often the best hand when we can get value?

Well
1. We can't often get value from worse. Idk why you think we can.
2. We don't fold out any hands that are better.
3. Your betsizing is bad as I have stated mostly for minimizing fold equity if your bluffing and just leaking information about your hand strength in general.
4. You provide an opportunity for villain to force you to give up 100% equity in the pot.

I mean just look at your logic for your betsizing. You can't be raised as a bluff because there are fish in your games that bet the nuts like this but you're going to get paid off by worse???

1. Why not? I don't see why V wouldn't sometimes pay off with a lot of worse pairs for this price, and I can't see him having better often enough to defend against a river bet.

2. That's fine when we are value-betting.

3. I think you're right here in the sense that it's not balanced. I'm never bluffing here, and a smart villain can take advantage of this if he has a bunch of history - but this goes both ways, against a V who is too aggressive I can bet this way with my good hands to induce.

4. Yes, but again I don't see a lot of villains picking up on this immediately - I'd be playing this differently against a V with a dynamic.

5. Fish bet this way with a lot of things and snapcall a raise. Doesn't have to be the nuts. They also bet this with Q high and other junk, and given the price I expect V to look us up with 6x/5x, sometimes 4x and AK.

River is a x/f imo.. If you're betting for value do it on the turn where all of his worse draws can call. The river bet is very thin and is very unlikely to be called by worse. As stated previously we have sdv and want to get there as cheaply as possibly. Also he still has 100% of his open range he can rep because by checking flop/turn we get no information from him.

I think you're underestimating how this particular river card shifts the winning distribution of hands and where your hand falls within that distribution as a result. Have to do some stuff around the house now but will run some scenarios and post to clarify my viewpoint.

+1

the bet wont make money and the call is disaster. the best option is check and hope to scoop.