So I tend to generally view snap bets as very strong (i think most of you will agree). I find that russian and >ukranian< regs especially are very rarely snap betting bluffs and their range is usually nutted or top value at least, maybe its just selective memory but I've drawn this conclusion after a lot of trial and error and always take notes whenever I see showdown vs snap bets and very rarely find myself making a note 'snap bet as bluff' vs regs (especially against most eastern europeans). I never understood why they do this, imo they've lost/are losing a ton of value vs players who are aware.

I find a lot of regs snap bet very obvious polarized value bets and take time with bluffs and thinner value bets which take a bit more thought. I honestly think this is the biggest universal leak of even strong regs in 2017, or possibly even the all time biggest general leak.

Recently I was talking to a micro reg who I'm helping out a bit and he told me he tends to snap bet with strong hands since it seems more bluffy/tilts players and when he's bluffing takes his time to size his bet. I told him imo its the complete opposite of what he's trying to represent.

I would just like to hear peoples general views on snap bets and if you fall into these category of players why do you do it? I find people tend not to emphasize timing tells much anymore and I'm not saying you should always be folding the top of your range vs regs who are snap betting but I personally will lean much more towards the fold button in tougher spots when facing a snap bet. I'm just wondering why people do this like do they not realize they're losing value (imo that is), or do they believe they're getting more calls, if so are they?

Wow. I think you're right. Whenever I try to pick off PSB or huge snap bets, I think they have it almost always. I've played a lot of hands, and this kind of confirms it. I think people take their time with their bluffs, think about sizing, sometimes think about giving up haha.

As someone who regularly snap overbets river this makes me happy.

As for you thinking a snap bet is always nutted, this is obviously flawed.

As for your friend who snap bets nuts and takes times on bluffs, this is why he is a microstakes reg.

As for your questions, i snap bet 99 percent of the time because I rarely don't know what I want to do in a spot.

You're not losing value by snap betting because you have bluffs aswell.

I wouldn't say I get more calls no. I get more folds and less calls until someone in a HU match gets sick of me 2x shoving river and calls it off with garbage.

graphs please

Dam we got a pro here. He knows the exact action he's taking on every combination OTR instantly

Yes I do infact play poker professionaly, was this your cynical attempt at making fun of me or do you just think everyone is a losing player?

I had a roommate who played hu plo and he would play very fast like you say, not sure if youre a hu player but its kinda different when youre only playing against fish. No need to get offended but you may know what you want to do in a certain spot but I find it hard to believe that you're making the best decisions you can if youre always snap betting, even pio takes a couple minutes to spit out the right frequencies, bet sizes etc.

i think we just got leveled actually re reading his post i havent slept in awhile but I don't see how that couldve been a serious post

Normally if I catch myself acting super fast it's indicative of tilt rather than the actual strength of my hand. But I think it's fairly player dependant and for sure some people do give of timing tells one way or another.


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I sometimes act fast because I have an obvious decision given the board and the action and ranges and everything. Sometimes I act fast because there is no action on other zoom tables. Sometimes I act slow because there is action on other tables. Sometimes I act slow on purpose. Sometimes I am just weighing in all options. Get a read of that.

No comment lol.

I don't think too much into snap bets or any other kind of timed bet. A lot of people think they can throw players off by using different timing methods. Unless I notice a pattern with said player, I treat it as any other bet and not let the opponent confuse me.

Fwiw easywithaces, twitch streamer and high stakes mtt player, was playing a hand on the ft of a 215 40k the other day. He was 3 handed and he defended the BB vs btn w J4ss, proceeds to xc on 962s vs a cbet, snap led on turn 5, then snap overbet shipped the river on a 6. Does he really snap ship a 9 on the river, and does he ever have 6x?... Even though this is one hand sample, I think snap bets can definitely be bluffs.