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Tricky Flop Spot Against Good Reg Tricky Flop Spot Against Good Reg

05-25-2013 , 11:09 AM
Villain is a good player with normal stats, but I rarely see him make a mistake or take a very bad line. He opens the button 52% of the time and folds to 3-bets about half the time. I'm not sure what to do here.


BTN: $227
SB: $219
Hero (BB): $244
UTG: $122
MP: $413
CO: $204

Preflop: Hero is BB with A 9
3 folds, BTN raises to $5, 1 fold, Hero calls $3

Flop: ($9.50) 9 3 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $6, Hero raises to $18, BTN raises to $45, Hero?
05-25-2013 , 11:29 AM
1. why do you check raise flop?
05-25-2013 , 12:09 PM
pls answer telf cus im wondering as well. i call flop and fold to heart turn or river and lead biggish A or 9 nonhearts, maybe find a fold on blank rivers depending on betsizing and board. i think im more likely to call down on 7s 8c than 3s 7d
05-25-2013 , 01:31 PM
he has a set of 6's or 3's or an overpair to the board in most cases.

I actually think a set is more probable than an overpair in this case.

You were in the blinds, he has no clue if you have 2 pair here and he isn't worried. If he had an overpair he would be more cautious and call your check raise...if he has a set he will protect it with another re-raise. 4h5h is another possible hand he could have here, but you need to know if a hand like that is in his raising range. It's a hand I could raise on the button, but most players wouldn't; so this is where playing with this guy regularly can help

Last edited by gsxraddict; 05-25-2013 at 01:36 PM.
05-25-2013 , 01:42 PM
I think I prefer leading 3/4 pot to check/calling.

As played, I would just fold to his 3bet. It's too hard to play this hand with speculation that he might have a set or some OCFD.
05-25-2013 , 02:08 PM
carl what range are you putting him on where you want to fold? mine indicate a call but i could see folding if you think youre just going to get outplayed on later streets. im a tourney donk so trying to understand real poker now
05-25-2013 , 02:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by johall111
carl what range are you putting him on where you want to fold? mine indicate a call but i could see folding if you think youre just going to get outplayed on later streets. im a tourney donk so trying to understand real poker now
Any heart, T, J, Q, K and if the board pairs or bricks and he still fires big on turn then we are hero calling to fold on river. It puts us in a spot where we must improve big on turn and A could be a dirty card. That's only four cards to improve but to top that off what if we hit and he still keeps firing?
05-25-2013 , 02:22 PM
i mightve mistakenly believed chk/raise/call flop line might slow him down on many of those cards
05-25-2013 , 05:46 PM
Donking makes no sense with the weaker range and yourhandsisnt strong enough to check raise.
05-25-2013 , 06:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SyAbleman
+1.

Assuming you c/r'd to look FOS, wouldn't donking achieve the same thing without the danger of overepping?
I donk semibluff/bluff/my balls or with low PP on dry board often enough that donking with TPTK makes sense for me to balance my donkey, I mean, my donking range.
05-26-2013 , 12:30 AM
To weak to x/r flop imo. We are beat by almost 40 combos, and flip against a lot more.

We do beat some 9x but likely not enough to raise flop for value. When we get 3bet on the flop he never has 9x one-pair.

Would fold flop as played, never expect him to be bluffing with air so we likely have about 50% equity in a best case scenario.
05-26-2013 , 05:25 AM
Yeah fold as played. He's probably not re-bluffing given the info you stated (I find spewy aggro players more inclined to take these lines). He likely as you crushed or your flipping.

I don't mind a donk here versus regs who aren't just blindly raising any lead. Lots of turns give him equity/a better hand to keep on betting and we are for ever guessing.
05-07-2017 , 03:22 PM
OP is matthew janda xD
05-08-2017 , 05:51 AM
A five dollar bet preflop is probable still a wide range of hands (you can speculate based on him, but its basically a mid raise. Top pair on the flop I lead out 3/4 pot or more (depending on player). Its not a 50/50 guessing game after you hit top pair on the flop, you're ahead against most mid raise hand ranges after hitting a top pair on the flop. If I get 3 bet, its a tough spot, could put him on a set 2p or hopefully trying to gamble with a semi bluff... Against most players its probably a good food, especially if you don't know there playstyle like the back of your hand.
05-08-2017 , 08:56 AM
C/r is perfectly fine some % of the time against button with a wide range imo - you're getting value from all worse 9s many draws probably 77 and 88 as well.

In this hand I'd be desperately trawling stats/notes to find out how often he plays back in this kind of spot. Also how much have you been check raising like this could be making stand with a worse 9? Need more info tbh.


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