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Old 05-31-2012, 01:16 PM   #1
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tpgk on drawy 3b pot

[converted_hand][hand_history]On Game, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #12995412

UTG: $357.42 (178.7 bb)
MP: $449.68 (224.8 bb)
CO: $84 (42 bb)
Hero (BTN): $198 (99 bb)
SB: $377.30 (188.7 bb)
BB: $203.28 (101.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with K Q
3 folds, Hero raises to $4, SB folds, BB raises to $18, Hero calls $14

Flop: ($37) 6 8 Q (2 players)
BB bets $19, Hero raises to $42, BB calls $23

Turn: ($121) 7 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($121) 7 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero ??


oppo is very aggro.. 25/22/13
17 3b bvb
flow is very aggro so i expect him shoving weaker hands if i raise his cb on flop, but he flat my raise..

which size to bet?

if we check, and otr he bets which river we bluffcatch, which river we bet and which size we use if he checks?

my image is semi aggro, today i've played about 23/19/9 but i've folded and normally i fold a lot to 3b (70%+)
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Old 05-31-2012, 02:25 PM   #2
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Re: tpgk on drawy 3b pot

Why on earth do you check the turn after raising the flop? I'm assuming you're raising for value/protection, then why not bet turn?
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Old 05-31-2012, 02:36 PM   #3
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Re: tpgk on drawy 3b pot

Ship turn.
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Old 05-31-2012, 04:50 PM   #4
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Re: tpgk on drawy 3b pot

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Why on earth do you check the turn after raising the flop? I'm assuming you're raising for value/protection, then why not bet turn?
cause maybe he is trapping me... and i dont see hands that can call worse than kq.. btw size? ai or 1/3 ?
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Old 05-31-2012, 05:28 PM   #5
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Re: tpgk on drawy 3b pot

Shove, a small bet gives him a decent price to draw and you can't really make a semi biggish bet with stacksizes. Checking is bad because we give him a free card.
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Old 05-31-2012, 05:45 PM   #6
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Re: tpgk on drawy 3b pot

does anyone else like to flat this flop? given hes "agro" means he could be capable of firing more then once.
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Old 05-31-2012, 05:51 PM   #7
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Re: tpgk on drawy 3b pot

If I raise flop I certainly shove turn but I probably just call flop and let him bet untill i got his stack.
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Old 05-31-2012, 07:01 PM   #8
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Re: tpgk on drawy 3b pot

I call the flop all day. Dream spot vs this guy. If for some reason i chose to raise flop, then shoving turn is the only way to proceed. I dislike both your decisions so far in this hand, especially your reasons for checking back the turn.
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Old 05-31-2012, 07:20 PM   #9
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Re: tpgk on drawy 3b pot

OP said that the flow was very aggro, so IMO the flop raise is good.
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Old 05-31-2012, 07:23 PM   #10
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Re: tpgk on drawy 3b pot

I assume that when he says 'flow' he means villain was very aggro. I only like a flop raise if villain views us as aggro, and capable is making this play with less than Qx. Even with aggro dynamics, it is still a stretch to assume villain will shove worse in this spot, unless he has reason to think we are light a good portion of the time.
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Old 05-31-2012, 07:36 PM   #11
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Re: tpgk on drawy 3b pot

Raising the flop can never be horrible, given that we can raise/call good draws and raise/fold air sometimes. Villain will not snapfold TT/JJ in this spot.
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Old 05-31-2012, 07:43 PM   #12
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I assume that when he says 'flow' he means villain was very aggro. I only like a flop raise if villain views us as aggro, and capable is making this play with less than Qx. Even with aggro dynamics, it is still a stretch to assume villain will shove worse in this spot, unless he has reason to think we are light a good portion of the time.
i got high % of raise flop cb in 3b pot, dunno if this reg knows cause it's a lot i dont play against him, in the session i was play aggro, he was play aggro, so otf i could raise almost atc..
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Old 05-31-2012, 09:56 PM   #13
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Re: tpgk on drawy 3b pot

To clarify, i agree raising isn't terrible at all.
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Old 06-01-2012, 06:39 PM   #14
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Re: tpgk on drawy 3b pot

i think you should bet the turn as played. there are even more draws now and I'd imagine he wouldn't be slowplaying you on such a wet board. Also, i'm sure the stacks are very shallow after you raise the flop and he calls in a 3b pot. so there's less need to pot control
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