Opponent is 27/14 after only 20 hands. Just give up or call BS on the turn shove trying to level us?


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NL Holdem $1(BB)
HJ ($26.5)
CO ($348.59)
BTN ($99.28)
HERO ($105.5)
BB ($109.43)

Dealt to Hero 9 8

HJ Folds, CO Folds, BTN Raises To $2.5 (Rem. Stack: 96.78), HERO Calls $2 (Rem. Stack: 103.0), BB Calls $1.5 (Rem. Stack: 106.93)

Flop ($7.5) 8 9 6
HERO Bets $7.5 (Rem. Stack: 95.5), BB Calls $7.5 (Rem. Stack: 99.43), BTN Folds

Turn ($22.5) 8 9 6 T
HERO Bets $14.25 (Rem. Stack: 81.25), BB $99.43 (allin) (Rem. Stack: 0.00), HERO $81.25 (allin) (Rem. Stack: 0.00)

River ($217.43) 8 9 6 T 3

3-bet or fold pre unless BB is a fish.

OTF you should check all your range unless you have a good balanced donking strategy in those boards(which are the ones you should be having a donking range) or BB is a fish and you don't mind having BTN expo folding a lot. I would choose a bigger size OTF, like 105%-108% to make it threaten stacks by the river with a constant bet sizing.

Check the turn, fold as played, you shouldn't expect villain to be bluffing here enough of the time to make profit, even his bluffs have tons of equity vs your hand.

i was gonna type some **** but i realised the guy before me just nailed everything i had to say, ( and waht anyone had to say really).

He's 27/14, so yes, I thought he was fishy. But yes, folding from SB or 3-betting would be std here.

Open button here, I don't have to have a balanced donking range. It's a very draw heavy flop. It's very common for people to lead on these textures.

So I should have bet 7.8-8 instead of pot (7.5), because that would threaten stacks?

So you're check folding turn then? We still have 80 bbs behind. I would think that I'd have at least ~40% vs his pure bluffing range min. So technically this would be a call vs. how often I expect him to be shoving a 7. I haven't punched it in yet, but probably 30% vs his entire range is we keep in 7's. Seems like a bit of an overshove in this spot with a straight.

Any ways, he ended have AsTs and I won, but perhaps I should have just 3-bet pre. Thanks for the feedback.

Lol ATss is ****ing ******ed turn play.

Lol rapidesh he bet 100% otf and you're suggesting he bet 105-108, really?

I don't agree with you guys that leading huge otf is best, I think 75-80% is fine. You block a calling range with this hand. This kind of size would make more sense against a pfa from an earlier position, but BTN's range of 50% pre contains overpairs at a lower frequency. I think it's ok, just not my preferred option. And no, you don't need to have a balanced donking range in this spot, it's 100nl on Ignition.

Turn is kind of weird, I mean I don't hate it, but this whole line otf/ott seems a bit button clicky. When you pot the flop and continue big ott like this I think you mostly narrow his turn calling range to JJ, straights and combo draws, so it's not even clear to me that you really have a v-bet here. As BTN I'm not peeling turn with most overpairs against this line bc the board smashes your range, you're repping very strong, our equity against your bluffs sucks, and we don't make the nuts when we hit our outs.

B/c turn is def bad OP, you can't look at it as "why would he play a made hand like this"?, you just have to suspend judgment and take the average of what some random would do here. Sure, he can play 7x like this, and as Rapidesh mentioned your equity against his bluffing range sucks. Even under generous assumptions of Villain doing this ott with lots of f draws, we're not gonna have a b/c, imo.

Goddamit I keep ****ing up the positions. Though V was BTN. Just extrapolate what you can from my comments, I guess.