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03-06-2014 , 03:12 PM
Both hands are ZOOM. Alright so i checked this flop in game on auto pilot. Would usually be a c-bet. Board ran out like that and i think i made a good fold?

Villain is a reg that I'm sure is defending button quite wide and whilst i can think of a number of hands he could play this way that are bluffs (well most of his flop bluffs get there anyway) i think it's quite speculative and I'd expect him to have it the vast majority of the time here. I'm spewy and rusty though so any feedback would be cool.

    Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #24516431

    BTN: $103 (103 bb)
    SB: $100 (100 bb)
    Hero (BB): $208.19 (208.2 bb)
    UTG: $190.84 (190.8 bb)
    MP: $111.11 (111.1 bb)
    CO: $303.21 (303.2 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with Q K
    3 folds, BTN raises to $2.50, SB folds, Hero raises to $9, BTN calls $6.50

    Flop: ($18.50) 6 K 8 (2 players)
    Hero checks, BTN bets $12, Hero calls $12

    Turn: ($42.50) 7 (2 players)
    Hero checks, BTN bets $22, Hero calls $22

    River: ($86.50) 3 (2 players)
    Hero checks, BTN bets $60 and is all-in, Hero folds




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    Second hand.

    Yeah I'm not sure what I'm doing here, out of practice. My Thinking was that I'm not getting any value by betting the flop with KJ but having it in my chk/calling range just played better. Pretty sure river was a fold again but my heads all over the place today.

    Poker Stars $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2447814
    DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

    BTN: $280.00
    Hero (SB): $223.73
    BB: $110.26
    UTG: $108.00
    MP: $144.00
    CO: $117.37

    Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is SB with K J
    3 folds, BTN raises to $2, Hero raises to $8, 1 fold, BTN calls $6

    Flop: ($17.00) J 8 9 (2 players)
    Hero checks, BTN bets $11, Hero calls $11

    Turn: ($39.00) K (2 players)
    Hero checks, BTN bets $29, Hero calls $29

    River: ($97.00) 7 (2 players)
    Hero checks, BTN bets $64, Hero folds
    03-06-2014 , 03:43 PM
    If I'm playing these hands this way, I'm probably calling off both to be honest.

    Hand 1 - Are you ever c/c Kxcc on the flop? AQ/AJcc? If not, then gotta figure this is the top of your range, and you block some of his flushes which is nice. Would have been a bit nicer to have AcK but still.

    Hand 2- I can't think of that many Tx that would bet turn again. Only QT or AT really make that much sense. Gotta figure JT/9T/8T/TT would all check back turn pretty often.
    03-06-2014 , 04:10 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Griffey24
    If I'm playing these hands this way, I'm probably calling off both to be honest.

    Hand 1 - Are you ever c/c Kxcc on the flop? AQ/AJcc? If not, then gotta figure this is the top of your range, and you block some of his flushes which is nice. Would have been a bit nicer to have AcK but still.

    Hand 2- I can't think of that many Tx that would bet turn again. Only QT or AT really make that much sense. Gotta figure JT/9T/8T/TT would all check back turn pretty often.
    Yea in hand 1 i would definitely chk/call Kxcc most of the time and AQ/AJcc some of the time also. I was worried i couldn't fold but thought villain will be jamming sets/straights/Two pairs here as well as flushes which gave quite a wide value range. I also didn't have any reason to believe villain would bet this flop every time he was checked to.

    Hand 2 i agree a lot of Tx is checking the turn. I just have no clue how often villain would have pure bluffs here assuming he checks back a pair most of the time on the river as most of the player pool usually would.
    03-06-2014 , 05:03 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Gadgeyweecoont
    I also didn't have any reason to believe villain would bet this flop every time he was checked to.
    Yah this is an important point actually. Some villains will fire any two here knowing that if clubs run out they can keep repping, and other villains will find it very suspicious seeing a check on Kxx and not fire at all. So this probably makes a big difference.

    As for my call down, I don't hate an exploitable fold, but I'd imagine these are GTO call downs, at least for my ranges. Especially hand 1- where my range is probably mostly TT-QQ and weaker Kx type stuff.

    Hand 2 - I probably have enough Tx c/c down to fold some stronger hands.

    Really depends on how your c/c ranges are constructed imo.
    03-07-2014 , 07:35 AM
    hand 1 is a pretty clear call down if you decide to check. however, i would prefer to bet the flop there given the texture.

    hand 2 i would check call flop and c/j turn. He has tons of weaker 2 pair combos.
    03-09-2014 , 07:45 AM
    Hand one is an auto-call the way you played it. He could even have KJ/KT here putting you on QQ / JJ. And as mentioned you have an important blocker to many of his possible flushes.

    Hand two is a bit tougher. I'd be betting the flop basically always for starters. I'd rather check a QJ / JT / T9 type hand that is less vulnerable to an ugly board runout.

    On the river I'd probably call and not feel so great about it. Most of his Tx hands should be looking to check the turn rather than inflate the pot and if he's betting sets here he could be betting some worse two pair hands as well. Plus it's a good board runout for him to continue bluffing the turn and river with air / crappy showdown value.
    03-11-2014 , 11:16 AM
    Hand 2 - On this river if it's checked to me, I'm betting all of my range against most opponents.

          
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