I'm going broke 100% no matter what I bet on flop. Against his 4bet range I'm only behind AA and that is it. Once I call the 4bet and hit this premium flop, I would assume every single poker player on earth will play this hand for stacks for 200BB pot.
I'd be interested too know if someone argues against my point here....
First of all he is right about your sizing, its too big. You need to start thinking in terms of ranges and what you do with other hands as well. A problem with small stakes is that people will just paste hands in without developing the proper thought. Playing with ranges, stove and some math will give you a much better picture.
I'll be honest, I would stack off on that board. But you shouldnt be there in the first place, and I still wouldnt love getting it in. You think they stack off with KK here? Not with your sizing at least. Have a reason (and ranges) for everything you do. Post them here with the hands and you will get better feedback and improve more of your game. You can fold AK/QQ preflop sometimes you know...
First of all he is right about your sizing, its too big. You need to start thinking in terms of ranges and what you do with other hands as well. A problem with small stakes is that people will just paste hands in without developing the proper thought. Playing with ranges, stove and some math will give you a much better picture.
I'll be honest, I would stack off on that board. But you shouldnt be there in the first place, and I still wouldnt love getting it in. You think they stack off with KK here? Not with your sizing at least. Have a reason (and ranges) for everything you do. Post them here with the hands and you will get better feedback and improve more of your game. You can fold AK/QQ preflop sometimes you know...
Yeah, I agree about the sizing completely. The correct size is 1/3 pot in 4bet pots. That's just my guess. Especially on that flop texture since it's so clean and completely safe vs his strong/4bet range. Everyone goes broke there but I went broke too eagerly. I was thrilled when I saw the flop and I just so wanted to put the money in. Actually 95% of the time, the opponent will snap fold on that flop texture since other than AA, we are up against KK and QQ and that is it, nothing else basically. Or split vs AK but rarely.
However, can someone find a fold after cbeting 1/3 pot on flop? I doubt it because a world class player will not make the mistake of flatting that super strong 4bet preflop. Anyway, so I butchered this hand, end of story.
I played this hand below like a month ago. - similar situation but more difficult to discern preflop wise.
HJ is fish 42/24/af4.5/3bet0 223 hands
BTN is 22/19/af6.7/3bet7.5 964 hands - professional TAG
I was after the fish but I ended up in a pot vs the pro. He can 3bet wide range on BTN. I completely misread his hand and put him on SC FD and shoved over his flop cbet. I really thought I was flipping. Ouch.....
I think this flop texture is worse than the other one. There are more combos that kills my hand if not FD.
I'd fold pre unless the players left to act are ultra nits. readless I think folding flop is best. now that you binked your trips call down and hope villain is spewing or overvaluing overpairs/riverd TP
Preflop: Hero is BB with 7 K
UTG folds, MP raises to $3, CO calls $3, 2 folds, Hero calls $2
Flop: ($9.50) J 7 7 (3 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $3.62, CO raises to $13, Hero raises to $42.01, 2 folds
Results: $39.12 pot ($1.76 rake)
Final Board: J 7 7
Hero mucked 7 K and won $37.36 ($21.36 net)
MP mucked and lost (-$6.62 net)
CO mucked and lost (-$16 net)
I'd appreciate it if you can glance through them and see what's wrong with my line.
H1) Think you can barrell turn. Lot of Qx and FD possible and he will never turn them into a bluff otr (in this case he did which is quite terrible). Checking back is fine too not sure whats better - betting might get too thin
H2) Probably raising river small
H3) If he checks river we always bet.
H4) Probably leading River
H5) Fold Pre Call flop. Cold3bet flop = overplaying and terrible
Here's some good advice - One hand history per thread!
Pick the two hands that you are most troubled by and post threads about those each day.
You should also read many of the advice threads in the lower stakes forums as your play is awash with fundamental flaws and mis-steps.
This is not being harsh but you shouldn't be asking questions about a hand where you flop the second nuts or where you call 3bs with J8s and chase your ****ty flush. Go to the micro forums and read the Concept of the Week threads.
H1) Think you can barrell turn. Lot of Qx and FD possible and he will never turn them into a bluff otr (in this case he did which is quite terrible). Checking back is fine too not sure whats better - betting might get too thin
H2) Probably raising river small
H3) If he checks river we always bet.
H4) Probably leading River
H5) Fold Pre Call flop. Cold3bet flop = overplaying and terrible
Hey, thanks man, I like your thinking here.
H1) If you bet turn, are you then calling any bet on river or if he checks river, are you then putting him all in?
H2) Yes, I like raising 50% pot on river. I guess raising turn folds out too much.
H3) Yes, I like 1/2 pot bet on river to get a hero call from a hand like his.
H4) I was hoping he has something like AK-AJ so I went for CR. I have a mixed feeling about lead river but I guess it could be good. My CR was way too big....
H5) Don't we need to 3bet the flop to protect our hand against TP and FD? I was thinking I 3bet too big but 3bet could be good here.
Here's some good advice - One hand history per thread!
Pick the two hands that you are most troubled by and post threads about those each day.
You should also read many of the advice threads in the lower stakes forums as your play is awash with fundamental flaws and mis-steps.
This is not being harsh but you shouldn't be asking questions about a hand where you flop the second nuts or where you call 3bs with J8s and chase your ****ty flush. Go to the micro forums and read the Concept of the Week threads.
I only post two hands within 24 hours maximum. I'm allow to post more hands in this particular thread because I have the permission from one of the moderators.
Where is this Concept of the Week thread? I couldn't find it.....
H1) If you bet turn, are you then calling any bet on river or if he checks river, are you then putting him all in?
H2) Yes, I like raising 50% pot on river. I guess raising turn folds out too much.
H3) Yes, I like 1/2 pot bet on river to get a hero call from a hand like his.
H4) I was hoping he has something like AK-AJ so I went for CR. I have a mixed feeling about lead river but I guess it could be good. My CR was way too big....
H5) Don't we need to 3bet the flop to protect our hand against TP and FD? I was thinking I 3bet too big but 3bet could be good here.
1) I check back River. Dont think he can call with KQ
3) bet 2/3 same FE 1/2 pot looks superflushy
4) lead river is way better than c/r
5) We flop trips why would we wnna protect our range vs TP? 30% of the rundowns are bad for us. But if we cold3bet flop we only rep monsterdraws boats or trips -> no value of TP no value of FD (FD's have easy folds imo).
If we call V's will rather perceive us to have a drawing or midlish made hand - get value from worse
Preflop: Hero is BTN with 7 7
UTG folds, MP raises to $3, CO folds, Hero calls $3, SB raises to $12.50, BB folds, MP calls $9.50, Hero calls $9.50
Flop: ($38.50) 8 7 K (3 players)
SB checks, MP bets $20, Hero raises to $58.38, SB folds, MP raises to $95.60 and is all-in, Hero calls $29.12 and is all-in
Turn: ($213.50) 9 (2 players, 2 are all-in) River: ($213.50) 8 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
Spoiler:
Results: $213.50 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: 8 7 K 9 8
Hero showed 7 7 and won $210.70 ($110.70 net)
SB mucked and lost (-$12.50 net)
MP showed A A and won $0.00 (-$100 net)
5) We flop trips why would we wnna protect our range vs TP? 30% of the rundowns are bad for us. But if we cold3bet flop we only rep monsterdraws boats or trips -> no value of TP no value of FD (FD's have easy folds imo). If we call V's will rather perceive us to have a drawing or midlish made hand - get value from worse
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