Sigh I guess this is a fold?

Poker Stars, $1/$2, $0.40 ante No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37641851

Hero (BB): $186.18 (93.1 bb)
UTG: $200 (100 bb)
MP: $296.39 (148.2 bb)
CO: $202.42 (101.2 bb)
BTN: $213.06 (106.5 bb)
SB: $347.55 (173.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q Q
UTG folds, MP raises to $5, CO calls $5, BTN raises to $24, SB folds, Hero calls $22, MP raises to $295.99 and is all-in, 2 folds, Hero:

Has the game been fairly tight or on the loose side? Any reads on player who shoves over the top?

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No reads just that villain is playing VP:25 PR:22 Which is pretty standard really.

It looks like original raiser thinks BTN is squeezing. In majority of live games I play in villian's original raise size looks weak and is usually a weak play. There are others who play AA this way. Some would also play AK this same way. 6 handed QQ is very hard to let go. I would personally have 4-bet the BTN based on villian's weak initial raise...but I'm a live player so maybe that raise size is pretty standard. I probably 4-bet to $80-85 and look to stack off with SPR of 1.5; but maybe I'm the fish.

I think the initial $24 raise is a bit of a tough spot. AA and KK have you dominated, AK is pretty even. But hands like 9-J and others may be in Villain's range.

As for raising vs calling...
- Against AA/KK, you'll lose less money this way. Against AK, you'll win more money this way because you lose if it pairs, and they don't continue if it doesn't.
- Against JJ/TT if there's an overcard you won't extract much, and if there isn't you will, so here it'd be good to call.
- Against worse hands, you also want to call, but I'm not sure how many other hands there are that are 3betting.

Given that you're out of position, I'd definitely go with a raise.

As for the 4bet all in, I don't think that's a call, unless the opponent is really loose. The 4bet range is mostly AA and KK, some AK maybe, and very few JJ/suited connectors.

Its a close spot but I think against an unknown you should call.

You need about 40% equity to call and you have about that much against a range of only AA, KK, and AK. The average 200nl reg will likely have those hands plus an occasional bluff.

Are you 4betting AA or KK here? If so, Queens are the top of your range, which is another reason not to fold.

BTW, I think we should be cold 4betting rather than cold calling the 3bet pre.

We are OOP and most of the time when we call MP and CO will both feel priced in and call. QQ is not great to play OOP multiway. Plus its pretty exploitable if we are only cold 4betting AA & KK.

So. Much. Rage.

Sad that nobody that's actually good posts in this forum.

Sad that the someone who knows the game best spends all their time in the wrestling forums.

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You need a 45% EQ for the call to be even. Vs a range KK+AK//A5s (maybe) is 43% EQ.

Sickening is a bit strong imo. Would have gone with irritating personally.


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4bet pre and call AI

Call off

I would 4bet queens in that spot. That way you can fold to a 5bet since its in the bottom of your 4bet range. If you flat with aces also, fold, if you dont you might have to find a call. Since like other mentioned this is the top of your flat 3bet range. This is why I flat aces 50% of the time in that spot, and 4bet queens 50% of the time. I can find a fold in those tough spots.


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i think we have to 4 bet this pre flop and probably call a shove