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should we be barreling here? should we be barreling here?

04-25-2017 , 01:50 PM
vs unknown rec but he seems not that bad



    Party, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37710641

    Hero (BB): $131.10 (131.1 bb)
    SB: $49 (49 bb)
    CO: $101.50 (101.5 bb)
    UTG: $158.41 (158.4 bb)
    BTN: $114.58 (114.6 bb)
    MP: $100 (100 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with 9 7
    2 folds, CO raises to $3, 2 folds, Hero calls $2

    Flop: ($6.50) T J K (2 players)
    Hero checks, CO bets $2.03, Hero raises to $7.68, CO calls $5.65

    Turn: ($21.86) 8 (2 players)
    Hero checks, CO checks

    River: ($21.86) K (2 players)
    Hero bets $11.38, CO calls $11.38

    Spoiler:
    Results: $44.62 pot ($2.23 rake)
    Final Board: T J K 8 K
    Hero showed 9 7 and won $42.39 ($20.33 net)
    CO mucked T Q and lost (-$22.06 net)



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    04-25-2017 , 02:08 PM
    As to this particular Villain, seeing how he called a x/r on the flop with a hand that will very well get him into trouble, I believe we would have gotten turn and river value (more likely if it didnt pair).

    In general, I think this is a fine play but I like a check on the river (don't know about rivers that pair) but the Qh should be betting that and most definitely the Ah which we can stack. We can also stack the two pairs or the occaisonal sets he can have that improve to a full house so we don't need to worry about that. If it goes check check and he was like the 6h, he probably wasn't calling a bet.

    What do you think about checking it to villain on a non pairing river? And on this particular river?

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    04-26-2017 , 06:16 AM
    You shuld not bet river, c/r flop is ok against a passive one
    04-26-2017 , 07:40 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by IClickButtons
    You shuld not bet river, c/r flop is ok against a passive one
    Did you see he has a straight flush?
    04-26-2017 , 12:54 PM
    CR the flop larger. If your opponent is aggressive, then check the turn, otherwise bet.

    As played, at least pot the river. Your opponent either has Ah or Qh (most likely since they didn't bet the turn), or no flush. You're only getting value against those two hands so you need to bet as if only the top of your opponents range is going to call.
    04-26-2017 , 03:35 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Money$Team
    Did you see he has a straight flush?
    Yes. But a x/r on the river is just so much better.

    PRF has way more Ah/Qh/FHs in his range, and they're all betting. It's also very likely we get looked up by all these hands and make more money.

    We have the range disadvantage on this river, so we should be looking to check most of our range. Checking here is good to protect our checking range. We have a lot of low flushes that dont wanna v bet here.

    If he doesnt have a heart, he's not paying us off anyway. He might also just decide to turn random hands into bluffs, or v bet worse flushes than Ah/Qh although unlikely

    I'm a spewtard, but I 3b this pre vs CO. Prob calling vs MP/EP open

    Last edited by Minatorr; 04-26-2017 at 03:41 PM.
    04-26-2017 , 03:50 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Money$Team
    Did you see he has a straight flush?
    Ohh, I did not then bet the turn for sure because I do not expect a rec turning something into a bluff on that turn
    05-01-2017 , 02:14 PM
    x/r flop, bet turn, jam river. I don't want to win only $20, I want to win $100 this hand.
    05-02-2017 , 02:02 PM
    Does anyone see any value in checking the turn ?

    Obviously we bet at villians value range 100% of the time, but knowing that he has the Qh here can be a little results orientated,

    by checking the turn we can allow him to think his Qh has become the nuts, we allow a free chance to his 2 pair / sets to become houses which we stack each time.

    I mean does he only call Ah and Qh on the flop here, he's not folding two pair, sets, etc so a heart turn check could have value to disguise our hand vs his range ?

    Or?
    05-02-2017 , 07:13 PM
    Yes, I think we should be checking this turn because we have a lot of low flushes that can't bet this turn for value and want to see a showdown. He's probably folding his two pairs on this turn, and we're not allowing him to boat up. Checking here protects our checking range.

    If he has Ah, we're stacking him anyway no matter what we do, so I don't see a lot of value in barreling off.
    05-03-2017 , 04:20 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Minatorr
    Yes, I think we should be checking this turn because we have a lot of low flushes that can't bet this turn for value and want to see a showdown. He's probably folding his two pairs on this turn, and we're not allowing him to boat up. Checking here protects our checking range.

    If he has Ah, we're stacking him anyway no matter what we do, so I don't see a lot of value in barreling off.
    Good one but not valid against a fish that check back this turn alot and never folding 2 pairs plus.
    05-03-2017 , 06:46 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by IClickButtons
    Good one but not valid against a fish that check back this turn alot and never folding 2 pairs plus.
    vs fish 100%, vs unknown rec (not all rec players are terrible) lets change the c into a g and get

    vs unknown reg.

    Checking could be slightly more +EV over the long run.

    vs fish there's no argument, value town all day.

    but if the c is a g ?

    What then?

          
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