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QQ overpair vs 3bettor 3way Turn QQ overpair vs 3bettor 3way Turn

03-31-2017 , 10:04 AM
Hi,

Here is the hand (6max normal tables / not ZOOM) :

$200.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em
Seat 9 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( $209.70 USD ) - VPIP: 30, PFR: 25, 3B: 7, AF: 1,7, Hands: 169
Seat 2: Player2 ( $314.55 USD ) - VPIP: 42, PFR: 16, 3B: 5, AF: 1,1, Hands: 179
Seat 4: Player4 ( $253.43 USD ) - VPIP: 19, PFR: 14, 3B: 6, AF: 1,5, Hands: 490
Seat 6: Hero ( $201.04 USD ) - VPIP: 26, PFR: 21, 3B: 11, AF: 2,1, Hands: 18051
Seat 7: Player7 ( $115.85 USD ) - VPIP: 29, PFR: 23, 3B: 9, AF: 4,6, Hands: 242
Seat 9: Player9 ( $536.35 USD ) - VPIP: 21, PFR: 16, 3B: 8, AF: 2,0, Hands: 394
Player1 posts small blind [$1.00 USD].
Player2 posts big blind [$2.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Qs Qc ]
Player4 folds
Hero raises [$6.00 USD]
Player7 folds
Player9 folds
Player1 calls [$5.00 USD]
Player2 raises [$13.00 USD]
Hero calls [$9.00 USD]
Player1 calls [$9.00 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5c, Ts, 5s ]
Player1 checks
Player2 bets [$22.50 USD]
Hero calls [$22.50 USD]
Player1 calls [$22.50 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 4c ]
Player1 checks
Player2 bets [$84.37 USD]
Hero ?

I had only 28 hands about Villain when we played the hand.

Given the spot I think it's a push or fold spot.

If I give Player 1 this range : JJ-TT,ATs,KTs,QTs,JTs,T9s,AsQs,KsQs,AsJs,KsJs,QsJs,As 9s
and player 2 this range : 99+,AKs,AsQs,AcQc,KsQs,KcQc,AsJs,AcJc,AsTs,AcTc,AK o,KQo

then i have 50% equity, so i guess this should be a call as I am offered 2.33:1 odds.
I think Snowie says it's a call but I am not sure.

Let me know what you think about this spot.
03-31-2017 , 10:17 AM
and if Villain 2 's 2nd barrel range is tighter (no AKo, no KQo for example) : TT+,AKs,AsQs,AcQc,KsQs,KcQc,AsJs,AcJc,AsTs,AcTc

and Villain 1's range includes 5s : JJ-TT,55,ATs,KTs,QTs,JTs,T9s,AsQs,KsQs,AsJs,KsJs,QsJs ,As9s

now we have 30% equity which makes it a BE call, on the turn (2.33:1 odds), without mentioning what might happen on the river.
03-31-2017 , 05:03 PM
The preflop range you're assigning to player 2 is quite a bit more than the 5% of 3betting he has actually done. Granted, you don't really have enough hands against him for a 3bet % to be accurate but for a 42/16 player I tend to assume tighter 3bet ranges - especially when you weren't "stealing" from the CO or button.

Your turn range seems about right, but I wouldn't include AT or AJ. I might add a discounted 88 or 99.
04-01-2017 , 06:13 PM
You have to call with some hand that isn't TT here otherwise you're folding way too much. I think we can fold our unimproved flush draws on the turn here and call with QQ, which is one of the better hands we can have here.,
04-03-2017 , 12:27 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by poker-hero
Hi,

Here is the hand (6max normal tables / not ZOOM) :

$200.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em
Seat 9 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( $209.70 USD ) - VPIP: 30, PFR: 25, 3B: 7, AF: 1,7, Hands: 169
Seat 2: Player2 ( $314.55 USD ) - VPIP: 42, PFR: 16, 3B: 5, AF: 1,1, Hands: 179
Seat 4: Player4 ( $253.43 USD ) - VPIP: 19, PFR: 14, 3B: 6, AF: 1,5, Hands: 490
Seat 6: Hero ( $201.04 USD ) - VPIP: 26, PFR: 21, 3B: 11, AF: 2,1, Hands: 18051
Seat 7: Player7 ( $115.85 USD ) - VPIP: 29, PFR: 23, 3B: 9, AF: 4,6, Hands: 242
Seat 9: Player9 ( $536.35 USD ) - VPIP: 21, PFR: 16, 3B: 8, AF: 2,0, Hands: 394
Player1 posts small blind [$1.00 USD].
Player2 posts big blind [$2.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Qs Qc ]
Player4 folds
Hero raises [$6.00 USD]
Player7 folds
Player9 folds
Player1 calls [$5.00 USD]
Player2 raises [$13.00 USD]
Hero calls [$9.00 USD]
Player1 calls [$9.00 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5c, Ts, 5s ]
Player1 checks
Player2 bets [$22.50 USD]
Hero calls [$22.50 USD]
Player1 calls [$22.50 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 4c ]
Player1 checks
Player2 bets [$84.37 USD]
Hero ?

I had only 28 hands about Villain when we played the hand.

Given the spot I think it's a push or fold spot.

If I give Player 1 this range : JJ-TT,ATs,KTs,QTs,JTs,T9s,AsQs,KsQs,AsJs,KsJs,QsJs,As 9s
and player 2 this range : 99+,AKs,AsQs,AcQc,KsQs,KcQc,AsJs,AcJc,AsTs,AcTc,AK o,KQo

then i have 50% equity, so i guess this should be a call as I am offered 2.33:1 odds.
I think Snowie says it's a call but I am not sure.

Let me know what you think about this spot.
4bet the flop...............
04-03-2017 , 06:20 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fscomeau
4bet the flop...............
you mean preflop?
Isn't Calling IP more helpful than playing a flip?
I don't think 4betting preflop helps us in this precise spot.
The interesting spot is on the flop and turn I think. Preflop is pretty common.
04-03-2017 , 04:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by poker-hero
you mean preflop?
Isn't Calling IP more helpful than playing a flip?
I don't think 4betting preflop helps us in this precise spot.
The interesting spot is on the flop and turn I think. Preflop is pretty common.
Yeah I meant preflop. It depends on the table I suppose but I'm not folding queens preflop at my tables (I play live, so it might be different) and I'm not simply calling.

As played, fold, you're beaten.

      
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