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QQ 3b pot, river still a jam? QQ 3b pot, river still a jam?

09-06-2014 , 03:26 PM
49/29
fold to 3b 31%
fold to cbet in 3b pot 33%
wtsd 30%
3.1k hands

he is aggro preflop, but his aggression is somewhat passive post.




thoughts on the river?



[converted_hand][hand_history]Cake Poker, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
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Hero (SB): $140.14 (140.1 bb)
BB: $106.10 (106.1 bb)
MP: $49.53 (49.5 bb)
CO: $98.10 (98.1 bb)
BTN: $62.20 (62.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q Q
MP folds, CO raises to $3, BTN folds, Hero raises to $10, BB folds, CO calls $7

Flop: ($21) 4 5 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $13, CO calls $13

Turn: ($47) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $25.50, CO calls $25.50

River: ($98) A (2 players)
Hero bets $91.64 and is all-in, CO calls $49.60 and is all-in
09-06-2014 , 05:46 PM
I'd go 3bet 12, flop 20, turn jam, exploitive sizing, not a default.

River seems meh. I mean I don't think he has an A all that often, but I don't think it's 0 and I think everything else folds. You won't be bluffing all that often on the river here vs this particluar villain so carrying enough value hands vs bluffs you might play this way is not a good enough reason for me to include QQ in your jamming range. Since villain won't put you to much of a decision if he is passive I think checking is fine with the intent to fold to a bet that I'm guessing will be infrequent.
09-07-2014 , 01:30 AM
seems fine, would check back IP
09-13-2014 , 04:05 AM
Is this vs SSteve?

IMO the river jam is way too light unless you c/c or c/f all your Ax by the turn. Its hard to find a hand in your range that a bluff catcher like TT can call, even given 3:1 odds.

If we dive into his range, he can have all the nutted combos (All his 4x and boats should still be in his range), including a few combos of AQ he's floated here.
09-14-2014 , 12:32 AM
nh, but it's debatable whether you should actually ship it or just bet the villains stack.

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09-15-2014 , 05:39 PM
dont see him calling his 77 on this river too often but that depends a lot on what he thinks about you
he will show up with Ax or a 4 some of the time and he probably doesnt have a lot of air so c/f seems fine.
09-15-2014 , 07:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sinnaJ
dont see him calling his 77 on this river too often but that depends a lot on what he thinks about you
he will show up with Ax or a 4 some of the time and he probably doesnt have a lot of air so c/f seems fine.
Villain also has 88 and JJ-TT and doesn't have that many Ax if they only call the turn with flushdraws.

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09-15-2014 , 08:11 PM
if im not jamming this on the river, then what hands am i jamming for value?

results:

Spoiler:
he had AQo
09-16-2014 , 10:21 PM
All bets seem too small. Pf flop and more importantly turn. Then on river what are you pushing for? He's only calling with hands you lose to so there is no value there in my opinion.
You could check river and see what his play is then call if you feel you have him or he's blatantly bluffing.
09-17-2014 , 12:30 AM
If he plays loose preflop, than he might have called your raise with a suited A4, hoping to get lucky. When his set hit he slow played thinking you would bet on the river and he could raise or call if you went all in.
QQ are nice preflop but maybe not now
Would he have called a $14.00 preflop raise?
09-17-2014 , 02:00 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by just_grindin
I'd go 3bet 12, flop 20, turn jam, exploitive sizing, not a default.

River seems meh. I mean I don't think he has an A all that often, but I don't think it's 0 and I think everything else folds. You won't be bluffing all that often on the river here vs this particluar villain so carrying enough value hands vs bluffs you might play this way is not a good enough reason for me to include QQ in your jamming range. Since villain won't put you to much of a decision if he is passive I think checking is fine with the intent to fold to a bet that I'm guessing will be infrequent.
I like this, vs this kind of vilains you should deviate from your standard sizings etc ...
as played I'm jamming river for the sole reason that I don't like x/c and x/f is out of the question.
09-17-2014 , 06:11 AM
I'd 3b larger pre. IDK the river seems like he can quite a bit of Ax and can't see him calling with worse unless I have read.
09-17-2014 , 08:37 AM
If he shows up with an ace here then great, he called off two streets of value in a 3bet pot with air. You'll get your money back with punitive interest soon enough if you keep playing with him. (One of the more uniquely frustrating things about the poker experience is watching a ****** do exactly that and then lose all your money to someone else and vanish forever.)

If he's not a total ****** then I don't think a river shove is ever getting called by anything you beat. That ace is a putrid river card because if your opponent isn't an idiot then there's pretty much no way to make him call another bet with a worse hand now.
09-25-2014 , 12:39 AM
Biggest mistake is the bet sizing. Something like $18 on flop and $35-$40 on turn. He got to draw too cheaply.
Check/call river.
09-25-2014 , 01:53 AM
Honestly I jam because I think it's better then the other options, but not super happy about it.

All options suck
09-25-2014 , 01:19 PM
jamming is best for a guy who shows down so often

      
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