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Preflop 4-bet multiway

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03-19-2017 , 06:36 PM

Wronglebowski

stranger

Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 13

1-3 NL live full ring. 100 bb effective stacks

UTG1 is new to the table, has showed aggression in two pots but not necessarily out of line, could have easily had the nuts.

UTG1 raises to ten. Hero has QQ in mp1, raises to 30. Mp2 (calling station) calls, co calls, UTG1 raises to 130. Hero has about 150 behind.

All in or fold?

03-19-2017 , 10:38 PM

Koivn

newbie

Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 16

with 100BB stacks I don't think we have any other option than shoving... If you are crushed by KK AA then so be it, too much dead money in the pot already.

03-19-2017 , 11:01 PM

radiokeller

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Join Date: Dec 2016 Posts: 63

fold

03-20-2017 , 06:04 AM

jay94

old hand

Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,476

Folding full ring for sure, but some players would call this, just depends, no reads easy fold.

03-20-2017 , 11:48 AM

nick619

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Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 1,107

You're a flip at best. Look for a better spot.

03-22-2017 , 09:57 PM

Wronglebowski

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Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 13

Sounds like the consensus is mostly fold. I ended up flat calling for some reason. The flop one caller behind me so the flop came three way. J-4-7 flop. Initial raiser shoved allin. At this point I was almost sure I was beaten. I thought the only cards in his range were AA KK and AKs. Despite this I stupidly called and was beaten by aces. I thought because of how much I had invested and the small possibility he was shoving with AKs it was worth a call.

03-23-2017 , 11:21 AM

nick619

adept

Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 1,107

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wronglebowski

I thought because of how much I had invested and the small possibility he was shoving with AKs it was worth a call.

I struggle with this every day, dude. I can't seem to lay down AK preflop. Every time someone shoves on me and I have AK, I call. Or if I get 4bet with it, I ship it. I constantly lose stacks because of it. I get the random win against QQ or suckout on KK, but vast majority of the time I'm coughing up stacks. It's a leak I need to work on.

03-26-2017 , 07:14 AM

Arod6893

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Join Date: Nov 2016 Posts: 20

Definitely would chalk this up to a leak.

UTG's range is very, very defined. Remember, you're the one with more bluffs as a 3-bettor in MP then he is 4-betting. Flatting is bad, jut because its a shove or fold. It's not like you don't have fold equity either. With no information or history, its a tank/fold

03-29-2017 , 12:13 PM

Meldras

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Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 118

People rarely 4b with less than KK+ at these stakes, especially from EP. 3b/f is fine.

As played, you can't really put in 130 preflop and then fold on that board.

03-30-2017 , 09:11 PM

#10

JuliusBerger

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Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 13

The above is why 3betting with QQ isn't usually awesome in FR. You'll usually fold out TT-22 and often JJ. KK+ and AK usually continue and jam it down your throat.

If you're playing against someone spewy by all means 3bet. Else consider flatting QQ pre.

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