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Originally Posted by valee
all this 100z talk... it depends how you'r looking at it. on one hand, its probably one of the toughest (or not far) 100nl games of ''all time''... tight fishes, competent ish regs etc. but ofc if you try playing it after hearing zoom games are super tough and super dead and unbeatable... you'r not gonna be impressed. regs do have tons of leaks and there is still plenty of fish and its beatable. you'r not gonna play with a lot of good regs, let alone very good regs.
but tim is 100% right. you'r gonna feel comfortable your first 2 or 3 sessions and if you win, you'r gonna be like lol unbeatable my ass regs are weak and i won and i didnt even ran good. if you lose, you'r gonna be like lol i ran awful and regs were awful, watch out when i run okay/good. but after 300k hands, you realize that those weak/tight regs are not that bad, that the 30vpip fish is not an atm machine and that 45vpip+ fish dont come around often. your winrate is probably gonna be between -2 and 2bb/100 and you'll think you ran bad... but eventually you'r gonna remember all the 2+2 posts you read stating achieving 3bb/100 or higher at zoom is very tough.
ofc if you never run bad 7bb/100 is achievable over 300k hands
Very nice graph sir!
It might be the toughest field ever, but I started playing zoom on stars in november 2015. The first two month I break-even pre-rakeback z100, I had no stats on anyone. Before that I was playing z100 on ipoker (july to october), and before that was playing hyperturbo, mtt, and sometime HU on stars, so I don't really know about the field prior to 2015.
The reason why i break-even those 2 months (I think?) is because the game is much different from ipoker. On ipoker people are way more agressive postflop, cbet huge ammount, and there a tons of bots. Went I move to stars people we're cbetting 1/3 of pot, pot controlling a lot (nobody pot control on ipoker) and overall the game is tougher on stars, so I had to adapt (the fish are better on stars, but I think that the reg/bot on ipoker are equally as good as those on stars, they just play a totally different style).
So yeah, I was not comfortable at first, on the contrary, I was intimidated by the field, people we're playing so different then on ipoker, I was clueless most of the time, and had no stats on regs.
In January, something switch in my head, I start watching ERA7ER on RIO more closely, understand why he's such a nit and making so much money, and I try to develop a strategy similar to his. After that, I realize that some line work better, and I start looking in my dabatase to categorize regs so I can know which one never bluff, which one will spews if given the chance, and which one make mistake if you play hand in a non-std ways. Basically, I started to play reg dependant a lot, even making crazy play that make no sense just because I know this reg will do something stupid.
I started also nitting up pf, RFI % going down, playing 20/15 instead of 24/18, and I realize that it had not change the way regs play against me. I also start changing my 3 bet range from BB, and defending way more my BTN instead of 3 betting with hands I want to see a flop with vs fish or reg that tend to spew.
I don't know if january/february we're just lucky month, maybe, but I believed i've made some change that work well. I'm implementing a 40% cbet flop and 40% cbet turn strategy, done that all month, and it work well because people spew like crazy when you don't cbet, it's insane. I cbet 40% flop, fold if check like 50%, and people still bet with 55 on 369 board when I check, even tho on that texture i'm rarely checking with total air, it's insane. I don't understand why reg keep bet vs miss cbet that much, and then keep barreling, transforming their hand into a bluff, it make no sense vs my particular play.
You talk about tight fish, I agree that their PFR is tight, but not their vpip, I see a lot of 20-12 and 30-18 fish. Also, fish will always spew if you use the bet-check line, or bet-bet-check, or check-bet-check. If you give them a reason to bluff, they will carelessly make some random bet for no reason other that they miss or have nothing. It's funny how sometime I just cbet 1/4 of pot and fish then ramdomly raise big on flop for no reason and just suicide themself later on.
The tougher regs to win money against are probably the nit pot controller, but those are not the one ur gonna clash often in big pot, it's the reg spewer. So me I try to choose my battle, I don't mind loosing small pot vs nit-reg, waiting for the spewer reg to do some crazy thing.
Anyways, might just have been a lucky 2016 so far, we'll see how march goes.