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02-27-2016 , 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by valee
yup 20k in 6 months thats as baller as it gets
still impressive. great work. kudos.
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02-27-2016 , 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by _jimbo_
Many of those 1 tabling players turn out to be 12/10 nits on zoom.
But it's still probably erratic how they compose their 12 vpip: like 77? no way! But King-Jack-off? Yes please, monster hand!

Last edited by bla; 02-27-2016 at 08:38 PM.
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02-27-2016 , 11:23 PM
fwiw I'd be surprised if valee wasn't top 3 regs at 100 zoom for that period, whereas I would be surprised if someone who posts a 100k sample in that manner is, and I'd also be surprised if valee hadn't run a little hot over that sample.

The thing which makes zoom tough is rake. I paid 7.5bb/100 lifetime (450k hands) at 100z (though I've been made aware this is significantly higher than average), and if you play ~25% of hands at reg-only tables, that's going to mean that every reg in the pool is losing at least 2bb/100 on those reg only hands and probably more for most, which instantly means that you need to, for instance, need to win at 4bb/100 in the rest of the hands to sustain a 2bb/100 actual winrate.

Party is awful, don't play there.
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02-28-2016 , 12:11 AM
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Originally Posted by tiltshove1
What, you started winning at 50nl again?


Also mods, please unban no tank you. Poor guy has so much free time now that I keep seeing him with a new avatar every 2nd day.
haha back since feb 15th, just wasn't inspired enought to post, pontylad did that to me with that second 3 months ban, the thrill is gone

ps: is that standard that you can't even read when you are ban here... there was now ay I could disconect to at least read without posting

btw i change my avatar evertime I'm not satisfied with how I run lol, so yeah every 2 days
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02-28-2016 , 02:28 AM
welcome back
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02-28-2016 , 05:26 AM
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Originally Posted by notankyou?
haha back since feb 15th, just wasn't inspired enought to post, pontylad did that to me with that second 3 months ban, the thrill is gone

ps: is that standard that you can't even read when you are ban here... there was now ay I could disconect to at least read without posting

btw i change my avatar evertime I'm not satisfied with how I run lol, so yeah every 2 days
wb

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I drive a brand new civic full equiped from this year I bought 5 months ago, whats the big deal ?

pretty sure not much people drive a nicer and/or mor expensif car than min ITT
have you made any mods to your expensif civic yet?
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02-28-2016 , 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by valee
all this 100z talk... it depends how you'r looking at it. on one hand, its probably one of the toughest (or not far) 100nl games of ''all time''... tight fishes, competent ish regs etc. but ofc if you try playing it after hearing zoom games are super tough and super dead and unbeatable... you'r not gonna be impressed. regs do have tons of leaks and there is still plenty of fish and its beatable. you'r not gonna play with a lot of good regs, let alone very good regs.

but tim is 100% right. you'r gonna feel comfortable your first 2 or 3 sessions and if you win, you'r gonna be like lol unbeatable my ass regs are weak and i won and i didnt even ran good. if you lose, you'r gonna be like lol i ran awful and regs were awful, watch out when i run okay/good. but after 300k hands, you realize that those weak/tight regs are not that bad, that the 30vpip fish is not an atm machine and that 45vpip+ fish dont come around often. your winrate is probably gonna be between -2 and 2bb/100 and you'll think you ran bad... but eventually you'r gonna remember all the 2+2 posts you read stating achieving 3bb/100 or higher at zoom is very tough.


ofc if you never run bad 7bb/100 is achievable over 300k hands

Very nice graph sir!

It might be the toughest field ever, but I started playing zoom on stars in november 2015. The first two month I break-even pre-rakeback z100, I had no stats on anyone. Before that I was playing z100 on ipoker (july to october), and before that was playing hyperturbo, mtt, and sometime HU on stars, so I don't really know about the field prior to 2015.

The reason why i break-even those 2 months (I think?) is because the game is much different from ipoker. On ipoker people are way more agressive postflop, cbet huge ammount, and there a tons of bots. Went I move to stars people we're cbetting 1/3 of pot, pot controlling a lot (nobody pot control on ipoker) and overall the game is tougher on stars, so I had to adapt (the fish are better on stars, but I think that the reg/bot on ipoker are equally as good as those on stars, they just play a totally different style).

So yeah, I was not comfortable at first, on the contrary, I was intimidated by the field, people we're playing so different then on ipoker, I was clueless most of the time, and had no stats on regs.

In January, something switch in my head, I start watching ERA7ER on RIO more closely, understand why he's such a nit and making so much money, and I try to develop a strategy similar to his. After that, I realize that some line work better, and I start looking in my dabatase to categorize regs so I can know which one never bluff, which one will spews if given the chance, and which one make mistake if you play hand in a non-std ways. Basically, I started to play reg dependant a lot, even making crazy play that make no sense just because I know this reg will do something stupid.

I started also nitting up pf, RFI % going down, playing 20/15 instead of 24/18, and I realize that it had not change the way regs play against me. I also start changing my 3 bet range from BB, and defending way more my BTN instead of 3 betting with hands I want to see a flop with vs fish or reg that tend to spew.

I don't know if january/february we're just lucky month, maybe, but I believed i've made some change that work well. I'm implementing a 40% cbet flop and 40% cbet turn strategy, done that all month, and it work well because people spew like crazy when you don't cbet, it's insane. I cbet 40% flop, fold if check like 50%, and people still bet with 55 on 369 board when I check, even tho on that texture i'm rarely checking with total air, it's insane. I don't understand why reg keep bet vs miss cbet that much, and then keep barreling, transforming their hand into a bluff, it make no sense vs my particular play.

You talk about tight fish, I agree that their PFR is tight, but not their vpip, I see a lot of 20-12 and 30-18 fish. Also, fish will always spew if you use the bet-check line, or bet-bet-check, or check-bet-check. If you give them a reason to bluff, they will carelessly make some random bet for no reason other that they miss or have nothing. It's funny how sometime I just cbet 1/4 of pot and fish then ramdomly raise big on flop for no reason and just suicide themself later on.

The tougher regs to win money against are probably the nit pot controller, but those are not the one ur gonna clash often in big pot, it's the reg spewer. So me I try to choose my battle, I don't mind loosing small pot vs nit-reg, waiting for the spewer reg to do some crazy thing.

Anyways, might just have been a lucky 2016 so far, we'll see how march goes.
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02-28-2016 , 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by MiguelPicard
Very nice graph sir!

It might be the toughest field ever, but I started playing zoom on stars in november 2015. The first two month I break-even pre-rakeback z100, I had no stats on anyone. Before that I was playing z100 on ipoker (july to october), and before that was playing hyperturbo, mtt, and sometime HU on stars, so I don't really know about the field prior to 2015.

The reason why i break-even those 2 months (I think?) is because the game is much different from ipoker. On ipoker people are way more agressive postflop, cbet huge ammount, and there a tons of bots. Went I move to stars people we're cbetting 1/3 of pot, pot controlling a lot (nobody pot control on ipoker) and overall the game is tougher on stars, so I had to adapt (the fish are better on stars, but I think that the reg/bot on ipoker are equally as good as those on stars, they just play a totally different style).

So yeah, I was not comfortable at first, on the contrary, I was intimidated by the field, people we're playing so different then on ipoker, I was clueless most of the time, and had no stats on regs.

In January, something switch in my head, I start watching ERA7ER on RIO more closely, understand why he's such a nit and making so much money, and I try to develop a strategy similar to his. After that, I realize that some line work better, and I start looking in my dabatase to categorize regs so I can know which one never bluff, which one will spews if given the chance, and which one make mistake if you play hand in a non-std ways. Basically, I started to play reg dependant a lot, even making crazy play that make no sense just because I know this reg will do something stupid.

I started also nitting up pf, RFI % going down, playing 20/15 instead of 24/18, and I realize that it had not change the way regs play against me. I also start changing my 3 bet range from BB, and defending way more my BTN instead of 3 betting with hands I want to see a flop with vs fish or reg that tend to spew.

I don't know if january/february we're just lucky month, maybe, but I believed i've made some change that work well. I'm implementing a 40% cbet flop and 40% cbet turn strategy, done that all month, and it work well because people spew like crazy when you don't cbet, it's insane. I cbet 40% flop, fold if check like 50%, and people still bet with 55 on 369 board when I check, even tho on that texture i'm rarely checking with total air, it's insane. I don't understand why reg keep bet vs miss cbet that much, and then keep barreling, transforming their hand into a bluff, it make no sense vs my particular play.

You talk about tight fish, I agree that their PFR is tight, but not their vpip, I see a lot of 20-12 and 30-18 fish. Also, fish will always spew if you use the bet-check line, or bet-bet-check, or check-bet-check. If you give them a reason to bluff, they will carelessly make some random bet for no reason other that they miss or have nothing. It's funny how sometime I just cbet 1/4 of pot and fish then ramdomly raise big on flop for no reason and just suicide themself later on.

The tougher regs to win money against are probably the nit pot controller, but those are not the one ur gonna clash often in big pot, it's the reg spewer. So me I try to choose my battle, I don't mind loosing small pot vs nit-reg, waiting for the spewer reg to do some crazy thing.

Anyways, might just have been a lucky 2016 so far, we'll see how march goes.
I don´t get why you would give away all that info if you think it makes you such a huge winner... just makes no sense at all to give away part of your knowledge and give up so much winrate by letting people know.

I´m not saying it is that way, because I doubt thats the GTO-strategy to crush zoom100, but if it was, it would just be so stupid to give away all the info.
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02-28-2016 , 11:44 AM
Poker is deff getting tougher and tougher but the sky isn't falling. It most likely will still be possible to make 100k+/year or smth by working hard for the next few years. We can live anywhere we want and make pretty good money, let's just be happy for that rather than whine about how tuff our life is when we are only making 100k instead of 150k.

I'll join the complaining mob on my next downswing probably though
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02-28-2016 , 12:41 PM
I'm curious, who are the good regs at z100? All the name I come with nobody agree with, so who are they?

I play from 1-2am to 9-10am eastern time (1-2pm-9-10pm in Thailand), if you play during that period, who are the good regs?
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02-28-2016 , 12:57 PM
^Shnizzel, xgiovannix.
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02-28-2016 , 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by MiguelPicard
I'm curious, who are the good regs at z100? All the name I come with nobody agree with, so who are they?

I play from 1-2am to 9-10am eastern time (1-2pm-9-10pm in Thailand), if you play during that period, who are the good regs?
Are there any left that you haven't unnecessarily bad-mouthed?
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02-28-2016 , 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by TR7isBetterThanU
Are there any left that you haven't unnecessarily bad-mouthed?
but he's 4bbs over 100k hands

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02-28-2016 , 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by tiltshove1
^Shnizzel, xgiovannix.
Shnizzel is one of the worse reg out there, one of those spewy reg I was talking about. Always size too big, always play too fast, he think he's some bully but he's spewing all the time + very straight forward with his big hands.

xgiovannix is a player I haven't figure out yet, so you can be right about him. He rarely spew or make major mistake.
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02-28-2016 , 02:25 PM
Lol
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02-28-2016 , 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by MiguelPicard
I'm curious, who are the good regs at z100? All the name I come with nobody agree with, so who are they?

I play from 1-2am to 9-10am eastern time (1-2pm-9-10pm in Thailand), if you play during that period, who are the good regs?
no regs online during that time, that's where the 4bb come from
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02-28-2016 , 03:41 PM
Well I guess then if you guys play when all the regs play it's not very smart... no?
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02-28-2016 , 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by MiguelPicard
Shnizzel is one of the worse reg out there, one of those spewy reg I was talking about. Always size too big, always play too fast, he think he's some bully but he's spewing all the time + very straight forward with his big hands.

xgiovannix is a player I haven't figure out yet, so you can be right about him. He rarely spew or make major mistake.
Forgot about kysus.
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02-28-2016 , 09:27 PM
shots fired
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02-28-2016 , 10:39 PM
trolling in this thread is so subtle
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02-28-2016 , 11:47 PM
4bb/100 over 100k hands. See you after when your next 100k hands you are 6bb/100 down...
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02-29-2016 , 02:01 AM
Stars is down?
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02-29-2016 , 04:06 AM
permanently hopefully

Spoiler:
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02-29-2016 , 06:20 AM
Stars has been down for 3 hours now, wtf is going on?
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