There's not a single chance that 4betting there > flat, it's not even close imo
Obviously it creates way way more variance, but hey, no ho-mos

wait, you guys are really talking about that hand? supppppper standard, wtf is wrong with people. wp brothermuzone.

his call on the flop? you do realize btn was betting not calling!

just questioning preflop not postflop, happily agreeing to see a 3way flop without ultimate position and 180bb's deep eff with another player is not something i am trying to do often. when it does happen and I get stacked I would feel like somewhat gave ev up to be overall balanced and am fine with it, but btns play postflop imo is correct. as if you think the best play is flatting preflop and you can mathematically prove it to me or you can get a a few msnl/hsnl player who is credible to say more often then not this is better then 4betting then given stack sizes I will send you some $$ on what ever site you play and never post again.

lol what is wrong with you, so dramatic...

you do see sb's squeeze is massive riiiiiiiight? you do realize when we flat and btn calls and sb cbets PSR plays itself riiiiiiight. you do realize flatting here is ****ing awesome because BTN will play poorly against our hand cuz our perceived range prolly doesn't contain AA in his mind? He can backshove a bunch of **** assuming to get it in vs sb and us folding etc. He's also a TERRIBLE reg, what are you worried about? he's not gonna be outplaying/exploiting us post....

FLATTING > 4BETTING AINEC

I'm qualified to make this statement, but since you are willing to give me free monies if I get some MSNL reg to post their opinion, ill bite..how about shootaa? we can both agree he's qualified ya? I don't care if you post more, but I'll give you my paypal info and you can send there...

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this HH literally says "HOLY **** FLATTING IS SO AMAZING HERE"

will pm you my PP info

DUDE!! I FLAT TO KEEP A WEAK PLAYER, WHO HAPPENS TO BE ON THE BUTTON, IN THE HAND. It doesn't freaking matter if he has position and that we're deep. HE WILL MAKE MORE MISTAKES THAN ME. PERIOD. My skill advantage and hand strength more than make up for this overrated point that position matters that much in a pot with such a big spr and a weak player.

I don't know why I'm wasting keystrokes on this argument. I think of articulated all I need to articulate about this hand. Your 953r example is such results oriented logic, I can't take it seriously. Like "OMG WHAT IF THE FLOP COMES ATT AND HE HAS POCKET TENS??!" Seriously, shut the front door. lol

10k won at NL50 speed.

Let me add, holding AA and being deep with a fishy player -- in and out of position -- is always a good thing. Especially in a bloated pot.

congrats!

Pinko, could you please answer this question? Thanks in advance

Hey, this may be a better conversation to have via PM.

I'm in session atm, but I'll answer you privately later.

I play 4 speed tables and made something like 850 hands/hour

Very Nice

Yup, definitely made mistake. OK, heres how it goes, Hero flats monster hand preflop to keep in dominated range vs weak player. Hero check calls nuts, and gets 4 outered on turn and is venting in forums.

DING! DING! DING! lol right answer!

Also, is there a new video out about raising the dryest flops ever with the nuts? Have had several hands lately where regulars flop topset on a 8 5 2 rainbow flop and raise big even with a fish left to act behind. As a player with a fairly aggressive image it just doesn't make sense to me. If I have a weaker hand I am going to fold every time, so why not let me barrel down. If I have an overpair, I will barrel the turn and then you can raise and if I think you are full of it I will call anyway. Plus, raising topset on a dry board with a fish behind makes the fish fold most of the time so this line just makes zero sense to me, yet I have seen it repeatedly over the past week and my luck lately, I seem to always have middle set.

Why not getting disconnected having middle set in 3bet pots, and why not while i raised a hand in the ipops main event, why not, just the 5th time today, just just just

lolregs.

I think he played it fine...

4way pot? What's he expecting that I call down and fold by river on this board?

The only hands you can call down are A3s, 34s(do you even have these pre in SB, BB more likely IMO), TT and JJ that you didnt squeeze.

He can have back door flushes and QQ+, you pretty much cant.

I dont hate it, depending on if I think you can get to river with 77/88/99/Tx.


EDIT - A3s is 1 combo, 34s is 2, lets say you always flat TT and you usually Sq JJ, by river you have 4 combos of TT/JJ. 66 is unlikely and 1 combos of 33. You have 7 combos that can call all 3 barrells. Needing 48% FE on river alone I think its reasonable to think you can c/c 7 combos twice and fold river. Youre folding JT on river here.

**EDIT - Lets be honest, its pretty hard for you to have any 3x realistically, as well as 66, so he needs you to fold 4 combos OTR alone to match the TT/33 combos that have him beat.

Anyone else hate RafaelMS? Who do people think the best and worst shortstacker is?