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AA 243BB Deep 3b pot 100nl AA 243BB Deep 3b pot 100nl

01-13-2013 , 01:07 PM
First night I've seen villain, def not a reg. I think he is 1 or 2 tabling. If he is paying attention to my play then he will view me as aggro. However, we have not really been in any big pots together yet.

243BB effective
villain 38/18
fold to 3 bet 55
fold to flop bet 45
fold to turn bet 25
~300 hands

$1 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players

UTG: $305.72
CO: $110.55
BTN: $31.50
SB: $148.32
Hero (BB): $243.07

SB posts SB $0.50, Hero posts BB $1.00

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero has A A

UTG raises to $4.00, fold, fold, SB calls $3.50, Hero raises to $20.00, UTG calls $16.00, SB calls $16.00

Flop: ($60.00, 3 players) 6 J 3
SB checks, Hero bets $30.00, UTG calls $30.00, fold

Turn: ($120.00, 2 players) J
Hero bets $90.00, UTG calls $90.00

River: ($300.00, 2 players) 7
Hero bets $103.07 and is all-in

Flop I think he raises all sets so I put him on a ton of spade draws, Jx and pairs, not sure where to draw the line maybe 88+. Throw in the occasional 45 straight draw.

Turn I feel I should have bet smaller. I think I overcompensated feeling that I should have bet the flop bigger.

If I make it $60 it's giving him pretty good odds on his draws. But it also makes it easier for him to come along with a wider range like TT and QQ. Then the pot would be $240 and I guess my river plan would be to check fold spades and shove bricks? Or should I ever just be check folding the river? I don't like that idea much because he is going to check back QQ KK which I think he will call every time.
01-13-2013 , 02:57 PM
smaller on turn.

C/f river.
01-13-2013 , 04:03 PM
why would he always raise sets otf? i doubt, that its either good or expected when someone is behind... i also dont think, there are alot of flushdraws anyways

dont like turnbet, especially with that sizing
01-13-2013 , 04:11 PM
turn bet is waaay too big
01-13-2013 , 05:37 PM
Fundamentally, from these positions, 3 way and this deep; us non savants are better off playing thoughtful ranges, then worrying about missing some value in bet sizing or auto going 3 streets because we have AA.

It's 3 ways, UTG is prob still pretty tight unless he thinks you'll be flatting a lot from the BB. On J63ss were unlikely to be getting 3 streets from anything. The SB is also 150bb effective, some regs will only have a value 3b of KK+ and auto flat QQ, JJ or set mine vs non regs.

While there may be a fear of sets and a lack of over pairs that will usually stack off, there's still value in Jx, flush draws and other PP's + the idea that we're cbetting with a lot of our range/air and any x/c is fishy. Point being cbetting is standard, but you need to think about all possibilities-the more inexperienced your opponent is, the more likely they are to either bet or call in situations they shouldn't.

On J63ss you can think about multiple streets of betting with a good balance of over pairs, Jx and draws/bluffs, but when the J falls on the turn, you need to figure out how that affects your value betting, then determine how he'll pay his value hands, and what he might bluff with.
01-13-2013 , 08:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AgoraphobicOne
Fundamentally, from these positions, 3 way and this deep; us non savants are better off playing thoughtful ranges, then worrying about missing some value in bet sizing or auto going 3 streets because we have AA.

It's 3 ways, UTG is prob still pretty tight unless he thinks you'll be flatting a lot from the BB. On J63ss were unlikely to be getting 3 streets from anything. The SB is also 150bb effective, some regs will only have a value 3b of KK+ and auto flat QQ, JJ or set mine vs non regs.

While there may be a fear of sets and a lack of over pairs that will usually stack off, there's still value in Jx, flush draws and other PP's + the idea that we're cbetting with a lot of our range/air and any x/c is fishy. Point being cbetting is standard, but you need to think about all possibilities-the more inexperienced your opponent is, the more likely they are to either bet or call in situations they shouldn't.

On J63ss you can think about multiple streets of betting with a good balance of over pairs, Jx and draws/bluffs, but when the J falls on the turn, you need to figure out how that affects your value betting, then determine how he'll pay his value hands, and what he might bluff with.

+1
01-13-2013 , 09:08 PM
turn sizing is way too big
01-13-2013 , 11:00 PM
flop i'd go bigger, turn smaller, c/f or bet small river(not as played).
01-13-2013 , 11:29 PM
apart from turn being too big i think river is a x/c.
01-14-2013 , 12:56 PM
Yea I get that the turn is too big which is why I said that in my op. I think $60 would have been better. Does anyone like a check call turn line? If he checks back I have an easy value bet on the river, and if he bets I can call turn and check fold river, as I don't think he will turn his hands into a bluff. This line sucks if he bombs the turn though (I'd probably just shove in that case I guess).

Also say turn is a card like a 9. Would you guys bet turn and check fold river?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jever
apart from turn being too big i think river is a x/c.
Can you elaborate why you feel check call is better on the river? If I had bet $60 on turn there is now $240 in pot and I would only have $130 effective on river. I think a villain like this is much more likely to call high pocket pairs on the river than to bluff miss spades or something, making shoving river a better line than check/calling.
01-14-2013 , 02:18 PM
not sure why its not been mentioned, but turn size is too big and river is a c-f
01-14-2013 , 03:51 PM
check somewhere, preferably river on this board
01-15-2013 , 12:21 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Izanagi
smaller on turn.

C/f river.
ye this, nothin u can do about getting bluffed of the best hand otr, it's not like it's a very attractive call ott n bluff otr with a naked fd or anythin, besides other people c/c often enough in similar spots for your range to be protected vs unknown anyway

      
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