thats impressive

found in this amazing thread http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...-strip-752593/

I'll give some clarifications on why people wish to not pay the full 100% tax, but rather 80% and get away with less.

- Our taxes pay for the people that don't want to work a monthly salary of 1100 euro a month for just showing up twice a month for a conversation.
- Belgium has the record for having teh longest period without a government yet these guys remain in their position and gave themselfs a 8% increase in loan while cutting on every other position.
- Taxes in Holland go directly to the worst television shows on tv. Highly overpaid idiots there (e.g. a stupid dj on a radio earns 300k euro a year) and having a stupid show that nobody watches earns you 300k aswell all from our money.


@shpanko good argument dude (schools, police etc.)

- Holland is systematically cutting on schools and teachers. Making it more expensive for people to study and get a degree. There is a lack of teachers and kids just have random hours of just sitting in class doing "homework", because there are no teachers. Yet some school just decided to pay 100 million euro's for a new extra state of the art modern building with awesome chairs, because we love chairs.
- In Holland when you are elected and sit a period in the government (even local) you earn a very good wager obv, but when you are not re-elected you get "wachtgeld" (waitingmoney) for not working anymore. Often you hear big OHHH AHH WHY when it comes out these guys get 500K euro over a period of 5 years for doing nothing and just hanging at home and we aren't talking about prime minster or whatever just local stuff, because thats easy to fundle away without getting noticed.

- The police force in Belgium is so f corrupt. The boss has cheated the police corp out of millions. Has been drinking and driving (getting caught) and they burned the reports. Bought for people of tax money all kinds of things (bought a lot of delvaux handbags for his secretary for example).


that's all our money so you can't expect us to be all that happy when we have to pay more than 50% of what we earn to the government when they f up so bad. So yes when I earn money and there is a possibility to have a small part black I'll be happy to do that and pay less taxes. In america you pay less than here so it's not even comparable.

friiitzy, whats our situation with paying taxes here in aus? Last year my accountant said that i didnt have to... I sure hope he's right lol

I understand if people don't believe their taxes are going to good use. But if your only form of protest is to silently withhold money, then maybe you're really just rationalizing your own greed.

Our only form of protest? What you want me to do. Hold a sign in front of the parlement saying no mass no mass? As for poker it's tax free and they are creating a law now to get taxes of it and I don't support that, because it's gambling in a way and gambling is free. Just like I don't have to pay taxes on poker when I play live. Pokerstars pays a big % of the rake earned by belgian players to the government here and on top of that we have to pay another 50%? You believe that's fair? And if we loose we can't take anything off our tax bill like running costs (internet etc.).

There actually is a moral stance to not paying taxes, I just don't want to pay the consequence.

I personally have a real problem knowing that my tax dollars are going to fund wars, covert actions against other governments, corporate welfare, making politicians rich, and list the list can go on and on.

I love our public school, library, university, military (at home), medicare etc., but there are times when we start dabbling in these ****ing ventures that I just want to pull my involvement in them. This is a result of the lack of control that I feel for towards our county's direction.

$174k/yr is hardly making any politician "rich". For their status, they could probably be doing a lot better in the private sector. I won't touch under the table kickbacks, but their flat salary is hardly a problem when it comes to government spending.

Anyone here playing poker and using HEM etc on a virtual machine? Getting sick and tired of using Windows so I want to virtualize this box and set up Win7+poker stuff in a VM.

Regarding school...I think it's about time for a paradigm shift anyways. I obviously have an IT background and it's a lot easier in IT than in other fields but the idea of hackspaces could/should be extended to other areas as well.

Formal degrees are really boring stuff in many fields(I do have a formal degree), getting together in random places and swapping expert knowledge in one field for expert knowledge in another field seems way more exciting. It's probably fairly easy for adults but ultimately I'd like to see this extended to all ages...basically just let kids learn whatever they want with some helpfull people around that can give them pointers and ideas (I know there's some schools like this in the US).
If companies can't adapt you can have some set of "corporate skills by field" + standardized tests in job assesment centers or something.

University level education is pretty much sozialized both in the US and Europe imo. Kind of interesting what different turns it took though. Public universities in the US are mad expensive and in Europe they are more or less "free". I don't think the quality of education is much worse over here than it is in public universities in the US but the socialist concept got applied more directly here (i.e. it's flat out stated that taxation is needed to finance education and that society benefits from it) and masked behind a thicker vail of pseudo-capitalism in the US.
[obviously I think neither outcome is optimal, I'd prefer fully privatized education]

Unless of course there's no representation...P

Please define what an unproductive job is.

Aren't you a UK based poker pro? Aren't poker winnings taxed at 0% in the UK? Kinda easy to take the moral high ground of "lol tax evading" if you pay 0% on pretty much all your income.

I feel extremly bad for paying taxes because I know they are used for stuff I strongly disagree with from a moral POV (spying on people, military operations etc.). I don't know how all the happy taxpayers ignore this. It's the same bad feeling I have when I buy a cheap thsirt..there's some blood on my hands.

I probably give up on the flop already tbh. The likelyhood of him having a "nuts only" range or a range that includes a disproportional amount of AQ and other stuff he won't fold is just too high.

As played I think I checkback turn, valuebet river and fold if he bets out river. Either that or some smallish valuebet ont he turn with the intention of checking back most rivers.

I use VirtualBox to run winxp under linux. FTP worked fine, stars works fine IIRC, hem and hem2 work fine too (I configured postgre in the linux host, but probably a std setup will also work). bwin sucks (dunno how they implemented their graphics but they are verrrry slow). I'm guessing win7 or xp won't make a difference.

ok so merge is officially RIGGED. not even kidding either....

i was playing my second session in about 9 months... I made quads 4 times in 30 minutes. like what the ****?

hhs and tits or gtfo

lol?

Do you have any idea of all of the kickbacks and perks these guys get?

A few have made a small fortune on insider trading that is perfectly legal. Basically, they attend private fed meetings, see the reports before they come out, and start trading prior to any announcement.

This is just the tip of the iceberg of the back door **** these guys work with.

Of course you don't support a new law that taxes your previously tax-free earnings. But do you think it is actually unfair that your poker income becomes taxed?

As for saymond's rationalising comment, for the most part I tend to agree. Sure there are plenty of causes that an individual disagrees with over how their taxes are spent, but I would be really curious to know what the accurate % breakdown of each of these issues comes to, over the lifetime of your tax paying years (being the cynic I am, I don't think I would believe many publicised breakdowns listed). If you are up in arms about benefit cheaters (and not only cheaters, but also those legally receiving a tax-sourced benefit you happen to disagree with), and then go on to say you would feel it is Ok to hide half your taxable income from the government - well, that is clearly rationalising.

If almost everything your government does is reprehensible to you, but all you do is complain about it / withhold income tax, rather than seriously look at living somewhere that better fits in with your personal views - which I think it what saymond is getting at - then you are no different to the poker player that was quoted recently ITT who was whining about his FTP money and lack of "job" but (apparently) not doing anything about it.

It's interesting though, since an individual's decision not to pay their share of taxes has no discernible effect on anyone else, and they also assume all the risk - but it still evokes quite a reaction (from either side of the argument).

nah see even under the new law poker remains tax free in casino yet online I'll have to give 50% of my winnings away when it's gambling and they say gambling is tax free in Belgium. That just makes me sick, because the only people they'll hit are the recreational players, because professionals will just buy an appartment in Malta or England for the lulz so they pay 0%.

aggro, was that you that was telling of some crazy stories when you worked as a chef? about politicians flying whores out for the night, etc. Those were some crazy/interesting stories, tell more ha

My stake is for 100NL, but I was told to play 3k hands or so at 50Nl to get used to merge software and stuff. So in before micro's donk.


































these all happened in a 20-30 minute window. i thought it was supposed to be hard to make quads?

That wasn't really my point, but I see there is an inequality.

oh and per request for t1ts

I assume you connected postgres to the Windows image via a virtual network (are you bridgeing or NATing)? Didn't even concider this but yeah I'd def prefer to have postgres run in Linux if it works.

Meh dunno how much fiddlework it will be but I'll either use a linux host with KVM or VMWare esxi (their free type 1 hypervisor). Backing up stuff etc will be nightmareish, never worked with VMWate converter or whatever their free tool to create images from running systems is called, might be an option.

I think I'll just backup my stuff and reinstall from scratch though.

Rofl 4 quads in 30 min. ez game.

How big of a winrate do you think is really possible at 100nl on merge with the BBJ rake?

almost bbj on that 99>KQcc hand