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NL Holdem $1(BB) Replayer
SB ($111)
Hero ($100)
UTG ($55.06)
CO ($360)
BTN ($110)

Dealt to Hero Q Q

fold, CO raises to $2, fold, fold, Hero raises to $9, CO calls $7

FLOP ($18.50) 8 T K

Hero bets $13.50, CO calls $13.50

TURN ($45.50) 8 T K 2

Hero checks, CO bets $30, Hero calls $30

RIVER ($105) 8 T K 2 3

Hero checks, CO bets $181, Hero calls $47.50 (AI)

Think I misplayed.

What lines do you take against what types of villains here?

B/f turn and c/deciding river standard?

flop is fine I think there gonna float alot and have 99/JJ/Tx which calls once, we block KQ and AK I would guess get it in pre some % of the time.

turn I would go for a b/f I think, worse can still call again like Tx with heart or w/o, PP with a heart. weird float with Ahxx


not sure if we can fold the 2nd nuts on the river getting which looks like 3:1?

Check call seems decent. Also could charge draws by betting turn. I am assuming the villain is unknown so there aren't too many Kx hands in villains range. KJ and QK and KTs and maybe like 1/2 the combos of KJ fold lets assume so we probably have 8 combos of KJ and 3 combos of KTs and like 6 combos of KQ in his range since we block the Q's. He could have 99, JJ, AQ,AJ,AT, TJs, JQ, 9T, diamond draws. We are still ahead of a lot of his range so I don't think we can give up so easily on the turn. I like the check call because I think we are turning are hand into a bluff otherwise and there aren't a whole ton of draws in villains range. He should check back the turn with a lot of junk or bluff one street and give up. I guess he doesn't need very many bluffs in his range on the river to call it off but could be a desperation bluff so just a crappy spot for you and kind of a meh spot on the river since you got there and have a somewhat decent hand I probably play it the same way you did. Could even just check jam the turn though if villain is anything aggressive since he will feel obligated to call with all his draws and maybe even gut shots with an overcard.

There are only 2 hearts on the turn, so why would PP with a heart and Ahxx call?

misread the board

Still prefer b/f?

i prob like a b/f more, put in a guessing game on the turn and we could make the mistake of folding the river if we c-c then c- decide and get bluffed off our hand. I also think we can get one more street of value from Tx 99/JJ and other stuff which im not to worrid about getting bluffed on the river by if we do check back river.

thats why c/f river maybe?

yeah id be c-f river

Thanks. Makes sense.

Villain had J9o.

but isn`t he shoving the river to out check like 99% of the time, once he has a hand, or has missed draws?

Like the only hand he checks back the river (with SD values) is Tx, but its too little combos

I mean like instead of having a "guassing game" OTT you`ll simply be having it OTR. I don`t advocate check OTT but ...

To be honest this is a situation I think we all hate. It's perfectly reasonable for the villain to have a K here but there's so many draws also.

your line seems fine.

c/folding turn seems gross. c/c or betting turn c/deciding river seems fine.

unsure how your sizing should be tho, id assume $30 is fine anyone got any opinions?