Hi folk,

Vil is 19/17 folded 4/4 vs 3bet and decent player. (Only 60hands on him)

OTF: Easy value bet here

OTT: What do you think about value bet here again? Its too optimistic ? he could have some combos of AxXc like AxJc,AxTc,...

OTR: I dont see him overbluff this spot i capped my range a bit but he had all flush combos,AQ also,...

Easy fold so?

Whats your line here b, xc ?

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 105.56 BB (VPIP: 19.23, PFR: 17.31, 3Bet Preflop: 19.05, Hands: 52)
Hero (SB): 109.84 BB
BB: 130.68 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 19)
UTG: 200.68 BB (VPIP: 17.14, PFR: 12.73, 3Bet Preflop: 3.16, Hands: 395)
MP: 76.62 BB (VPIP: 11.11, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)
CO: 451.7 BB (VPIP: 25.10, PFR: 17.65, 3Bet Preflop: 11.50, Hands: 261)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A K

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 2.5 BB, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, BTN calls 6.5 BB

Flop: (19 BB, 2 players) A 6 5
Hero bets 9.92 BB, BTN calls 9.92 BB

Turn: (38.84 BB, 2 players) Q
Hero checks, BTN bets 18.46 BB, Hero calls 18.46 BB

River: (75.76 BB, 2 players) 2
Hero checks, BTN bets 68.18 BB and is all-in, hero?

Folding 4/4 3bet seems not getting out of line so i find it difficult to bluff here.
I don't think you win this quite many times to make this a profitable call at the river.

I think too..

OTT whats ur line ?

Thanks

Its not so bad to bet but i like to pot control here.
If you be turn and he calls you are in the same weird spot at the river and if you bet and get raised on the turn you are in a weird spot at the turn.

I will take your line most of the times to avoid these situations!

Think betting turn for value is fine with the button vs blind dynamic. It's also for protection as we don't have a club, don't want to hands which would have called a bet to realise equity for free.

As played folding, but your range seems pretty exploitable here which further highlights why betting turn is better in this spot so your river checking range isn't as capped.

Turn is a 100% mandatory bet for protection, deny equity, can get called by worse Ax and definitely hands like AxJc Ax10c. OP, I'll give you an advice I think I should have learned a while ago, and started noticing this more when I started grinding more poker recently. Don't be afraid to double barrel spots like this or dbl barrel more in general.

If he has like 77-JJ with a club, you dont want to just give him a free card.

You will get raised here ott by a worse hand and/or bluff hardly ever. If he slowplayed a flopped set, it's unlikely he's going to just rip this turn with 66/55 when you have flushes/AA/QQ here. And he'd have to be a total maniac to bluff shove this turn. Ac out there he can't have really any semi-bluffs anyway.

The other day I had this exact same spot against a whale OOP 3-bet flop AK no club, BET flop Axxcc checked turn flush and he rivered a gutshot and I lost a lot of my stack. It's not a good spot to check to induce because this turn card people IME aren't going to bluff too often here. Not being result-oriented, but one of my biggest leaks I learned from PT4 is not dbl barreling enough.

Ap river fold is fine, you dont have a club blocker and people dont yolo bluff these boards often enough to justify a call.

Thanks for you deep thinking again, you are nuts for me here !

Agree to the fact i cant let im freeroll some river so bet would be easier to play ...

Thanks mate ! Yeah i will be less capped when i 2barrel in this spot for sure, so it will induce a bit less some bluffs.

Yeah but i think OTT if vil raise and i dont have any reads its not a shame to fold here, due to the fact at this limit ppl underbluff a ton of spots.

You never mention a river plan. Flushes *should be* flatting the turn. Also, I completely disagree with everything you wrote. This hand just shows the power of position.

River obv just x/f. He's not floating OTT with 87hh when flush completes and jamming river. Or floating 77-JJ planning to bluff-jam river when we check. Or value betting worse OTR when we check.

Flushes should be flatting turn OTB, you are right.

Worse Ax can def call turn, esp with a club. You're saying you fold AxJc OTT vs a turn barrel here? I think in theory as well, BTN has to keep continuing with all Ax OTT since we *should* have a good # of bluffs OTT like 87s/KcJx, KxJc, 98s, etc.. SB vs BTN.

what are the best line in your opinion?

I will double barrel here and check fold riv. I keep hearing people say such and such is exploitable if you do this or that. Don't be afraid to get exploited because anything and everything is exploitable. Just understand when you take turn check lines you are in check guess mode and check guess mode really sucks in most spots unless it is way ahead way behind spots Vs aggressive players. If I ever have a flush here and I try to get value and you check call check fold. As a blanket statement the guy should be turning his entire range in to a bluff and value betting everything that beats your check call range. It's not a great idea to split ranges when the pot gets huge. Just keep that in mind. Also someone might disagree with me here.

not sure that equity denial is why we need to bet turn here. were crushed by most of villains continuing range, literally only ever ahead of like AxJc and AxTc and *some* other Ax, and were always x/f river anyway. does population start turning everything into bluffs vs the turn check? also, surely we have enough better hands to balance out our bluffs with ott to not need to include AK? i'm honestly not sure about this spot but your logic seems kinda mubsy, driven by not wanting to put yourself in a tough spot as opposed to looking at ranges/equities

We're only crushed by our opponent's continuing range if he folds all Ax without a club vs our turn barrel. And if he is, then you need to be dbl barreling wayyyy more bluffs ott. Equity denial is just one reason to bet.

I have no idea what makes you think the logic is mubsy. That literally makes no sense. A mubsy play would be just x/fing turn. And I don't get the play can be mubsy when you're literally barreling into the BTN here on a 3 flush.

I never said anything about general population turning stuff into bluffs ott. If they did, I'd advocate for a x/c not a dbl barrel.

mubsy in a way that the point of your bet is to force out a fold from hands that have reasonable equity rather than taking the optimal line. sorry for the confusion.

fwiw i'm not saying that checking turn is the optimal line, it just seems like we have enough better value bets to balance out bluffs. curious what a solver would do here