on turn i think checking >>> betting. my range is too strong once all semi-bluff draws come in. can't see many worse calls in villains range.

OTR i think x/r or x/c is better than betting (not a fan of my bet here). checking keeps his bluffs in and makes him bet AdXx. dont see a big enough check back range that would also call a bet.

awkward effective stack to pot ratio makes river a weird fold once im raised, but i cant see me being ahead of a hand that takes this line

thoughts?

I certainly think that TT or 22 would raise again on the flop so basically you think that villain only has JJ here? Are you also saying that you only defend JJ here?

Idk with 4 diamonds on board I'm not really looking to fold here.

As played im folding river too. I guess he has 22, TT and JJ most of the time on the river (dont think he is or should 3bet them on the flop). Cant see many bluffs when hes calling flop and you rep a boat pretty well, considering almost noone takes heros line as a bluff imo.

So yeah i would put him on 7 combos of nuts and fold as played if he is an avg reg.


But otherwise, when hes checking the turn he shouldnt have a flush very often, so i would just check/call the river and wouldnt even be very happy about it, which is pretty sick, given 79 and J9 or Tx would probably check the river behind and i cant see many other hands that call this flop

It looks like he as jj or 22 don't think you are ever ahead on river when reraised so I would fold

IMO, if I was villain and I had JJ, i would bet on the turn because on the flop, your actions make it seem as if you have a made hand and you are charging villain to draw to flush. If villain hit his set on the turn, he would have bet the turn to charge you from hitting flush on river (in case if you had a diamond in your hand). Villain shoudlnt be afraid to bet his set on the turn because base on your flop line, you should have a weaker made hand and you shoudlnt have a flush. Also, if villain had bet his JJ on the turn, it woudlve also worked as a blocker bet on the river if a diamond came (Hero would check back river to villain and villain would prob check back his JJ if 4th diamond came). So IMO, i dont think villain has JJ. (Same goes for TT, I believe I would bet TT on the turn in villains spot)

Never folding for this price.

Never folding

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how did he 3bet less than minimum? illegal raise rigged site don't play on stars guys

he can easily have AdXd here and check back on the turn, what happens all the time by a likely weaker player (no fullbuyin).

your mistake IMO is that you think, he will think about the hand the way you do and that is probably not the case.

LOLWHAT ? CALL!
I'd even shove if we were deeper vs some vilains.
Betting turn is kinda bad because you'll never be happy when he shoves, but you could make a case for betting turn. river fold is horrible and seeing it tilts me.

I can't believe I actually considered jj in villain's range here. I doubt we see that hand that much at all.

IKR. Wtf these comments.

You are getting stupidly good pot odds and villain can easily have Ad.

don't fold river, ever.

any thoughts on turn action?

what Ad hands are you guys putting in his range here? and how many of those reraise me on the river? its pretty clear im boated if he has the nut flush so my flop raise now gets narrowed down to straight draws and sets. against that range on the river villain should call all of his flushes

Maybe some AdAx, AdJx he was bluffing on the flop, AdTx, Adxd that was made on the turn.

No idea why you think your line only reps a fullhouse here even if he has the Ad.

Also a bet will certainly get called here more often then it gets raised by fullhouses/quads, though check/raising could potentially be better.

I mean there are only like 4-9 hands that beat you and you only need to win a small part of the time here.

wtf is this a nitfest or sthng ? what do you mean you're clearly boated ? no you are not, and if has the nut flush it dosen't mean you don't have any flushes, the A is not really a blocker as you shouldn't be raising all of your NFD on the flop. you could be b/f K,Q or maybe even 9 on the river aside from some hands turned into a bluff, random bluffs etc (and you should or MUST have some as played).
I think you like your fold button too much.

There are a tons of hands with good equity on the flop: nut flush draws, combo draws, draw+overcards that will call your flop raise.

You are getting incredibly good odds to call 18:78 with a flopped middle set rivered boat and only 9 starting hands that beat you.

This should be a snap call.

at first I didn't see the board paired and I was confused. easy call. Villian can have strong flushes here more than enough of the time to make the call profitable.

Pretty surprised to see people snap here. For his Ad ship to make any sense, he has to expect us to call with lower flushes, a lot, on a paired board, considering we have some boats in our range too. Doesnt make much sense to me tbh (i play 50zoom aswell). Hero doesnt even have a lot of flushes in his range, given he opened from MP and some mid cards are already on the board.

I don't play on stars, but where I play, at 50 zoom the chance that opponent is on the level of "I can haz cards?" is more than enough to make this a profitable call.

since he isn't fully stacked, I think we can assume he isn't a deep thinker to go over all that stuff.

Well yea, didnt notice that. I also said in my first post that i would fold if hes an avg reg. Kind of strange that OP didnt include any info on the villain.

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+1. PM'ing you later

so your argument for calling has nothing to do with how the hand played out but uses a broad assumption that villain is a level 1 thinker because he wasnt fully reloaded before the hand began? i disagree

not entirely of course, but it's a big factor in our river decisions, vilain is a fish almost always, and as I said fish bet and call when they shouldn't, that's why they are fish, we are way up our range anyway, we can't just fold exploitively or whatever. I still insist that folding is horrible.