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NL50 what line ? NL50 what line ?

07-21-2016 , 09:19 PM
partypoker - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 120.4 BB (VPIP: 43.48, PFR: 41.30, 3Bet Preflop: 35.00, Hands: 48)
SB: 100.4 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 3)
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 100.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
UTG: 179.64 BB (VPIP: 30.47, PFR: 22.66, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 271)
Hero (CO): 133.4 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has T A

fold, Hero raises to 2.2 BB, BTN calls 2.2 BB, fold, fold

Flop: (5.8 BB, 2 players) A Q 6
Hero bets 3 BB, BTN calls 3 BB

Turn: (11.8 BB, 2 players) K
Hero bets 7.24 BB, BTN calls 7.24 BB

River: (26.28 BB, 2 players) 3
Hero checks, BTN bets 18 BB,

Vilain 43/41 7/20 3bet so far
Turn std bet right ? we have a decent range advantage and mass draws
River as played ?
07-21-2016 , 09:31 PM
This is a reasonable spot for a small blocker bet otr.

AP, your bluffcatching vs FD at best. V would likely have raised 2p or set by turn. Even a turned straight should raise but let's not assign our thought process to him as he might be a fish. Tough spot. Leaning towards fold until I have better read on V.
07-22-2016 , 06:32 AM
I think I would check the flop. If it goes check-check then pot the turn.
07-22-2016 , 10:31 AM
You need to check a street before river otherwise we end up playin da guessing game
07-22-2016 , 02:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChipsNcrisps
You need to check a street before river otherwise we end up playin da guessing game
I'm not being a smart ass, truly looking for help. Would you explain this one to me like I'm 5? Wouldn't checking earlier just give villain a free card to catch up? Also, what more info can we gain by checking behind?


Also, maybe this is why I'm not a winning player but this looks like he's repping the flush when in reality I doubt he got there. I'm probably wrong.

I call.
07-22-2016 , 03:27 PM
lol @ checking b4 river. imo our range should want to overbet turn here quite a bit and thats what i'd do. also since ur oop it makes sense to have more polar cbetting range so i'd also bet bigger otf, but thats no biggie. as played i dunno it seems close if u look at the stats, but i'd lean towards folding unless u have seen him do smth funny. Kinda expect random 50nl players to check down fd combos since on 3 boardway boards they have a pair very often.
07-22-2016 , 10:54 PM
Flop check looks good to me
07-23-2016 , 05:35 PM
Checking the flop is OK imo as villain will likely bet his entire range including flush draws. So we really aren't giving a free card and are likely calling while being ahead.

I would c/c turn and fold to a 3rd barrell only if the flush comes in.

Might be a passive line but better than betting out ?
07-25-2016 , 10:08 AM
This is a massive whale who can't have any real hands here because he 3 bets half the deck. Bet 3 streets. Bet river kinda small. Fold to a raise but he probably has a hand like A4o

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07-25-2016 , 10:19 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by E Mo
This is a massive whale who can't have any real hands here because he 3 bets half the deck. Bet 3 streets. Bet river kinda small. Fold to a raise but he probably has a hand like A4o

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This. Against a good player I would likely c/c flop with AT and bet out with AJ.
07-25-2016 , 10:21 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramblinman15
Checking the flop is OK imo as villain will likely bet his entire range including flush draws. So we really aren't giving a free card and are likely calling while being ahead.

I would c/c turn and fold to a 3rd barrell only if the flush comes in.

Might be a passive line but better than betting out ?
Good analysis if V is not a whale
07-26-2016 , 09:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by IClickButtons
This. Against a good player I would likely c/c flop with AT and bet out with AJ.
Honestly, what's the difference? nobody at this level is gonna care to work out your cbet range to this thin a difference so it's pretty obsolete.

Cbetting flop is totally standard. If you bet flop, checking turn is fine. If you then check turn, bet/fold river is fine too. The K on the turn completes a lot of 2 pairs, 10J straight, etc. QJ is probably not going to call the turn bet (maybe they will...prob not...) so that leaves a flush draw or a made hand to call on the turn. If villain has a weaker A, getting 3 streets of value is wishful thinking so valuing river with 1/2 pot after checking turn is solid for 2 streets of value.

As played, I would fold river. It's broken flush draw vs 2 pairs or straight and villain isn't going to be turning showdown value into a bluff most likely here.
07-27-2016 , 04:17 AM
mix flop doesnt really matter, def check turn now doe
07-27-2016 , 04:31 AM
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Originally Posted by p0ker_n00b
Honestly, what's the difference? nobody at this level is gonna care to work out your cbet range to this thin a difference so it's pretty obsolete.
The point is that we need to draw some line b/w our c/c range and c-bating range, and I made it that way. This is just and example, and it is reasonable.

Again, this is 100% cbet against the fish.
07-27-2016 , 04:36 AM
oh yeah cbet obv vs fish
07-27-2016 , 09:16 AM
Why would we check flop or turn when we're not beaten by a ton of combos, have a huge range advantage and a good value ?
07-27-2016 , 06:38 PM
Your hands pretty face up here am I right? Think this villain turns a lot of made hands into bluffs on this river. You're wrong well over 50% of the time here but I think it's a slightly +EV call based solely on the info you've given us.

I don't mind your line at all, and against a dummy like this, if I'm gonna check anywhere I'd rather it be the flop.
07-27-2016 , 06:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by IClickButtons
The point is that we need to draw some line b/w our c/c range and c-bating range, and I made it that way. This is just and example, and it is reasonable.

Again, this is 100% cbet against the fish.
Get it... So that line you talk about is primarily villain dependent. I.e. As you said, against a good player AJ/a10 is where you draw that line. I agree it's a cbet, make fish pay.
07-27-2016 , 10:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by IClickButtons
The point is that we need to draw some line b/w our c/c range and c-bating range, and I made it that way. This is just and example, and it is reasonable.

Again, this is 100% cbet against the fish.
I 100% agree with your last line.

Make fish pay
07-28-2016 , 04:29 AM
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Originally Posted by TommyTsunami
Get it... So that line you talk about is primarily villain dependent. I.e. As you said, against a good player AJ/a10 is where you draw that line. I agree it's a cbet, make fish pay.
Yeah, exactly
07-28-2016 , 03:10 PM
Now show us the KQ
07-28-2016 , 08:50 PM
I folded

      
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