Great spot to bet with exactly zero FE

FWIW snowie checks in the spot too

Stats are not correct, but less than full stacks gives some evidence for villains being fishy.

I think bet, bet, betting this (big) is the optimal play. I feel like many of the people who advocate for a check are looking at the turn in a vacuum and sort of not thinking about what will happen on river.

Villains are both showing a ton of weakness x/c on this board and while I agree that its probably fairly unlikely that you win the pot on the turn, the river is going to be super super profitable after betting turn. I expect to get tons of folds shoving on blank rivers.

I don't understand why people always seem to say "LOL, it's a fish, they will call anything". Even your average fish is not calling off his stack with T9 unimproved on the river here.

People don't bluff raise turns enough. Def barrel here

Don't know about that tbh

Well, perhaps that is the crux of the decision. If both villain's will stick their whole stack in on the river with T9 then I like checking alot more.

I tend to assume they'll fold it in a multiway pot on a board like this, but who knows, maybe I'm wrong.

The thing is: Most Villains don`t know that even seemingly strong hands should be folded in multiway pots under specific circumstances; especially, when out-of-position.

so everybody advocating a check is happily shoving blank rivers with AT ?

Tbh, i find it interesting how much opinions about perceived fold equity differ in this spot between players. I guess thats what it all comes down to.

What about betting 20 on the turn?

UTG will be squeezed with no FE, and we should expect him to fold a lot. If he shoves and CO folds, we have to call, but so be it. It will not be so bad anyway.

If UTG folds and CO calls, the pot will be 81bb with 62bb left in effective stacks. Shove if we hit, and also shove if we miss on all rivers except A,J,T,6. It will be a good-sized bluff that should make Villain fold almost any hand that he didn't raise the flop with.

Remember, 3rd barrel is much more powerful than 2nd barrel. So I would much rather 2nd-barreling small to set up the river than 2nd-barreling big is this spot. You will often gain the extra 20bb from Villain.