partypoker - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
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BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 36.56, PFR: 32.26, 3Bet Preflop: 25.58, Hands: 97)
SB: 71.2 BB (VPIP: 63.64, PFR: 54.55, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 11)
Hero (BB): 114.12 BB
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 4.35, PFR: 4.35, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 23)
CO: 96.2 BB (VPIP: 20.45, PFR: 13.64, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 44)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 8 9

fold, fold, BTN raises to 2 BB, fold, Hero calls 1 BB

Flop: (4.4 BB, 2 players) K T 7
Hero checks, BTN bets 2.8 BB, Hero raises to 8.8 BB, BTN raises to 19.2 BB, Hero calls 10.4 BB

Turn: (42.8 BB, 2 players) A
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: (42.8 BB, 2 players) 2

Vilain 37/32 on 90 hands so far,
Std till river i guess, 9/11 stl BTN, 11/18Cbet flop
River we get there with the absolute bottom of our showdown value, when our main draw (QJ) flop got nuts OTT and still have nuts, we also have a blocker on the flush which is not really relevent
So gotta bluff this always right ?
Sizing ? pot ? or shove ?

What are we trying to fold out here

Why raise the flop bet on this board ? It's not all that dynamic a board so I'm guessing you wouldn't raise with your 2 pairs and sets. Save your raise for the turn where you can rep a more credible value range to go alongside your bluffs.

As played you might get away with a river shove....but the main problem was the flop play.

Why can't we raise flop with sets/two pairs given we are not sure if villain barrels turn with high frequency and we can mix in bluffs like this to balance?

anything above 85% pot is fine as played

Hero's hand is not a bluff on the flop - it's a draw with 8 outs.

So it's OK to call with it on this dryish flop and put it into your c/r range on the turn should the board get more dynamic - i.e., should a club, diamond, or spade come. On the turn it's no longer a draw, it becomes one of your better bluffs. And how villain reacts will tell you plenty about his holding.

Better to c/r on the flop with bluffs like gut-shots and hands with 5 outs - 86, J8, A7 and with these you can throw in a set or 2 pair for value. Even then I'm not sure I'd do this unless the board were more wet / dynamic.

c/r on this flop doesn't tell you much about villain's range should he call or re-raise. c/r on a more dynamic flop will tell you plenty.

Good points

Saw your post just now in the Theory forum - am curious as to the replies as I'm very much willing to learn.

I suspect it may come down to what is GTO vs what is exploitative....let's see.

Flatting flop makes this easier to play. V should be c-betting this flop with his entire range and is very unlikely to be able to continue on the turn without a K given how dry the board is. V is never folding a K if you raise this flop and I think if he doesn't have a K he x/folds most turns so just float IMO.
As played I probably don't try to bluff a guy playing 36/32 but if you have some kind of read that he can fold a hand I would over bet.

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i would agree w everything that you say about the c/c flop on a really dry board and delay to the turn
But how is it a really dry and undynamic board ?
KT7 there is like a million of str8draws and GS, i would consider it a quite (there's worse obv) drawy and dynamic board am i wrong about that ?

You're right about there being straight draws, but that's all there is. You're representing no value. You are repping a set of 7s and KT and maybe a set of Ts assuming you don't reraise tens vs a button open. If I was your V I would be reraising you with most of my gutshots and open enders absolutely any hand with a 7 in it. By calling you leave your range wider because you can have hands like KJ, K9, or JT. Then you can pick up the pot by betting when V checks the turn back with no K and you lead river. If V has a King and bet 3 streets then you're happy you didn't raise anyways because he wasn't folding.

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Looks like he slowed down turn because QJ makes a good chunk of your range there but he's calling with his sets/2pair hands unless u barrel hard (overbet pot 2x)

Is it just me or would barrelling turn be better than shoving river?

I am not great with bluff spots as I basically never bluff hard like this. I do like the flop raise though as you have a nice straight draw. His re raise on the flop and check on the turned A is very interesting...almost like he isn't scared of the A and already has a nicely made hand on the flop or the A helped him (AK or AA)

36/32 is a player you don't want to try to bluff. The last bluff I remember pulling off was when I shoved on the river to a runner runner Q, J on a AKx flop. The guy was a nit, respected me and gave up his momentum. He folded a set he claims and I believe it because I just needed one of the cards for the straight.

This however seems not the most ripe bluff spot after you check back turn against a fishy player.

x/f or shove as played. prob shove

Pretty much this.

So more often i should be taking lines with less equity when semibluff raising on the flop? And less often or never semi bluff raise with hands like oop. I just find myself x/r more flops than turns. Why is it better to save it until the turn?

It reps a stronger hand if you raise on the turn but you also can have it shoved back into your face if they reshove on you leaving you with only one card to come holding a draw....and that is a sucky sucky position to be in

Basically I raise flop to 1) Try to win the hand right there if villain has total air, they'll fold 2) build the pot bigger if you do hit then you get to continue controlling the pot size and maybe take their stack and 3) It hides your made hands if you balance your flop/turn raise or crai situations.