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NL50 action turn deep ? NL50 action turn deep ?

10-25-2016 , 06:24 AM
partypoker - €0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 102.2 BB (VPIP: 22.30, PFR: 14.87, 3Bet Preflop: 7.76, Hands: 569)
CO: 99.54 BB (VPIP: 20.93, PFR: 15.12, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 86)
BTN: 29.28 BB (VPIP: 62.86, PFR: 6.67, 3Bet Preflop: 1.85, Hands: 107)
SB: 195.88 BB (VPIP: 21.48, PFR: 18.21, 3Bet Preflop: 5.43, Hands: 2,361)
Hero (BB): 266.32 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 3 3

fold, fold, fold, SB raises to 3 BB, Hero calls 2 BB

Flop: (6 BB, 2 players) 2 5 3
SB bets 4 BB, Hero raises to 12 BB, SB calls 8 BB

Turn: (30 BB, 2 players) 6
SB checks, Hero bets 18.66 BB, SB raises to 55.5 BB,


Vilain 22/19 on 2k hands, 42 STL SB, 60Cbet flop, overall looks aggro but no more reads

First do you guys would play the same untill we get raise OTT ?
Turn i think he would 3bet his str8 pretty often flop and he actually doesnt have that many 4s, only 1 combos of 43s 6 combos 44 and 3 combos of 54s, so after thinking i thought that we are still actually pretty good OTT most likely only beaten by the hands i said previously + 55 and 66 so dont want to check back
10-25-2016 , 10:44 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilgamesh94
doesnt have that many 4s, only 1 combos of 43s 6 combos 44 and 3 combos of 54s
why cant he have some % of A4/64 he didnt 3b flop with? 74s-K4s? just saying
10-25-2016 , 02:48 PM
Seems very unlikely we are good here

We are getting about 55% pot odds and we are roughly 20% vs any 4

Considering the amount of 4s that he has in his range I doubt he has enough bluffs to give us the correct price on a call
10-25-2016 , 04:12 PM
oops i meant 35%
10-25-2016 , 11:16 PM
...yes maybe he 3bets his A4-straight often...but I wouldn,t be sure about this, when he has Ah4!
10-26-2016 , 09:12 AM
Yea obv he can have it sometimes, but it's gonna be decreased by the fact that he will 3B pretty often str8 OTF and 74s not sure if he opens as well so could count decreased combos as well
K4s yea actually forgot this one

So let's say 16ish combos of 4x, is it enough to make us not want to bet turn or not ?
10-26-2016 , 10:37 AM
Re-raising is terrible. Folding is poor.
10-26-2016 , 10:54 AM
call turn
10-26-2016 , 05:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilgamesh94
Yea obv he can have it sometimes, but it's gonna be decreased by the fact that he will 3B pretty often str8 OTF and 74s not sure if he opens as well so could count decreased combos as well
K4s yea actually forgot this one

So let's say 16ish combos of 4x, is it enough to make us not want to bet turn or not ?
Turn is an easy bet


How many combos do you guys think he is bluffing the turn with?
10-26-2016 , 10:17 PM
Turn fold looks kinida weak obv but i dont think we're that good in terms of odds, and in terms of implied i think if we stack off river we're not good more often than good as well, so not pretty happy in that part as well tbh
Also i dont think vilain will show up with a lot of bluffs here except some really strong draws/redraw
10-27-2016 , 03:06 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by eoin16
oops i meant 35%
No, (55-18)/(30+55*2)=26% against roughly 20% vs any 4
10-27-2016 , 06:29 PM
With 2.3k hands on villain you should have an indication of his raise first in % which will give you a clue to solving this hand. That would be the first place I would look on his hud. If you yourself are on the tight side then he may be opening even wider. That could see him opening more 4s than you suggest in your OP - K4s, Q4s, 74s, A4s etc.
10-29-2016 , 07:08 AM
42STL SB so i think he has K4s and obv A4s always, prob not 74s and maybe/maybe not Q4s
10-29-2016 , 01:47 PM
I think its a call.We dont get direct odds to call against 4 but we have some impl odds and it should not be so difficult to IP and if we can add some small % of semi bluffs we have even ease call.
10-30-2016 , 03:06 AM
Call with the plan to fold to any river bet. If it boats up then ship it all-in.

I would not bet turn. I'd rather check it back and bluff catch the river or get value if he checks.
11-01-2016 , 10:52 AM
Bet turn a lot smaller.
As played, call turn, fold to river all-in on any not improving spade and heart.

      
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