Villain is 28/22/3b 7/ CB 80/ ATT STEAL 68% ~200 hands

He's multi tabling, seems competent, def a reg, starts games etc. He has a really high steal pct, if he's on the btn or sb, he's basically gonna go for it and barrel flop 100%.

Hero 30/25/3b 10

I should appear to be reggish and pretty aggro.

I think I 3b him once or twice, haven't 3b him when he's tried to steal from sb for like the 5th time, I just flatted. Other than that, nothing to note.

My plan otf was to get him off air w/ my oesd and bet any scary turn.

When he calls the turn he might have sets, two pair, JxXs, flush, maybe just a stubborn J,

Is the shove otr ok?

Hero (BB): $400.00
UTG: $439.99
MP: $209.70
CO: $482.96
BTN: $184.56
SB: $400.00

SB posts SB $2.00, Hero posts BB $4.00

Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero has 4 6

fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to $12.00, Hero calls $8.00

Flop: ($24.00, 2 players) 7 J 5
SB bets $16.00, Hero raises to $52.00, SB calls $36.00

Turn: ($128.00, 2 players) 2
SB checks, Hero bets $88.00, SB calls $88.00

River: ($304.00, 2 players) K
SB checks, Hero bets $248.00 and is all-in,

flop raise is horrible for several reasons, by the river you still pretty much rep 7s and 5s so i dont like it all

ok. I know standard play is to just call flop and play turn and river poker but idk... I tend to get more action cuz i fast play more flops and leverage my stack more often then other regs. That's at 100nl and 200nl though...

I think one thing to consider is that im defending my bb nearly 100% vs a min raise esp since im IP. I guess what i'm saying is with these specific positions i'd rather put a ton of pressure on a wide range on a wet board. It's pretty tough for a reg to continue oop with a wide range facing a raise on a wet board vs an aggressive opponent

idk, he's going to have to fade half the deck and be willing to call off his whole stack with a marginal holding. That's alot of pressure, no?

you do realise that most of this stuff you're saying is like a micro stakes dude saying "I'll play LAG, cuz that's where the money is".
there's better hands to go crazy with, like 8Ko/A6dd/43ss/42ss. Your outs are hidden and you can still rep a ****load of stuff by the river. Sure he wont be able to take pressure vs you donking your whole stack out but neither he'll be able to c/c or b/c OTR with much of his range when flush or straight fills or he's simply left with 3rd/4th pair.

Well thats right, he has to dodge alot of cards when u raise wet boards light but thats IF he calls.

He wont call very often in this spot when u play like this, oftentimes he will probably adjust and 3bet flop alot and u will have to fold ur draw if ur not comfortable to shove with something like a weak OESD but if u do that he will probably get it in with TP hands etc.

As played i like the bet ott and ur sizing is good. Im not sure about the river tho, he is probably not folding very often when he calls turn.

Sorry, I'm a microstakes donk, but why is a flop raise bad here? Why will he 3bet the flop a lot (I mean, it's a wet-ish flop but not THAT wet)? And would a raise be OK vs a typical 25NL reg in your opinions?

River shove is great IMO, considering how a LOT of his flush draws will choose to stack off on this flop since they are like nut flush draws or pair + flush draw or flush draw + straight draws. I think this specific flop texture makes the river shove really good.

I'd rather flat the bolded hands than raise them. I agree with K8o and A6dd though. i'd like this line /w 4d6d (BDs FTW). not sure about river though.

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What do you think is the difference between Hero's holdings and 42ss? I wont go into details because i need math to prove my point and i suck at it big time, but here's a hint - implied odds.
With 46dd it would be even worse to raise flop - same reason.



Ok, 1st off with a nut flush draw he has enough equity to just call our bluffs.
2nd with a paired flush draw he never 3bets flop.
3rd yes, we can discount 89ss/T9ss/68ss (which we block) a lot of the time which he'll in most cases 3b OTF.
Nevertheless - once we raise flop we dont rep many fd's as with some we got enough equity to make a call better than a raise or we have enough SDV to just call (like A-high/even K-high), what we do rep is some random bluffs and value hands like 55 77 J7 J5 75. By the river we cant shove any 2pair, it's not even +EV anymore - we must shutdown with them, so our value range gets narrowed down to 55 77. Sure we can add the previously mentioned 42ss n such but 1. he doesn't know if we even call them 100% of the time preflop so he might again discount them 2. he doesnt know if we raise them OTF.
I'm not saying he'll make all these assumptions (altho OP described him as thinking and he might very well go briefly through all this stuff) but he doesnt even need to to realise how narrow our value range is.

It simply plays better as a call vs anyone, so just... you know, call.

Are you crazy, you think a good aggressive reg ever just flats this flop with the nut flush draw, in these positions, against another loose aggressive reg? And no we don't block any of the straight flush draws, we have completely the wrong suits to block any flush draws.

Although I agree the hand plays better as a call on the flop. As played not bluffing the river is criminal.

Yes, Hero bluffing the cards that hit villain's hand is a terrible reason to flat flop raise...
Idk, river kind of AS PLAYED isnt a bad shove, but the way to it is just bad
and having 6x blocks his 68ss, maybe it's the wrong word im using tho

wat

tobe4funas is completely out of line ITT imo.

@ OP, your line is fine if that's how you play. I personally don't raise much in position because, well that's just not my style.

You got a good runout to jam and he'll have trouble calling river with a lot of hands.

Oh thank god, I was starting to doubt some of my understanding of the game.

wut tobe

river shove seems mandatory as played.

I think it's an interesting topic whether to have a wide raising or flatting range on this flop and which hands to put in each range. I mean if you're the type to raise any gutshot here but flat a lot of flush draws then he has an easy call down on the turn with most of his range because you'll continue all of your bluffs on this card. you might not always shove river with 75 too for the reason you're shoving 64 here.

I do think calling with 64 is preferable because getting 3 bet on the flop is quite a disaster and we can rep spades just as well by calling

I Think 4s2s has a lot more equity and given OPs read on the villain where he will almost always autobet flop and turn it's a "mistake" to be raising these hands since if he jams or comes over the top we'll hate life and this will be a decent amount since he's so aggressive.

My raising range would be nutted hands (would also flat these a lot, might not on thsi board texture) mixed in with some bluffs with good BD equity and potential to barrel. And I think 4d6d is a great hand to do this with.

You can say what you want about Tobe. I like the discussion he generates in every thread he pops up. keep it up mate, much

instead of getting 3x wut replies would be nice to hear some actual reasoning why you think im wrong here cause frankly i just dont see it.

Looks good. Wp

This.

i'm still awaiting yours. that's gotta be the most continued stretch of nonsense ive seen in a thread for awhile

some particularly outstanding examples

+1

TOBE DISAGREES

I need some help to understand why shoving river is good here.
Given it's bvb villain can have a lot of Kxs and Qxs in his range which has became flush and probably he fold a good amount of his Jx range OTT, probably not all of that but a lot.
Am I wrong?