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NL Holdem $1(BB) Replayer
SB ($192)
BB ($91.50)
UTG ($41.26)
Hero ($112)
CO ($50.43)
BTN ($135)

Dealt to Hero J J

fold, Hero raises to $3.50, fold, fold, SB raises to $11.50, BB calls $10.50, Hero calls $8

FLOP ($34.50) 8 9 7

SB checks, BB bets $17.50, Hero raises to $35, SB folds, BB calls $17.50

TURN ($104) 8 9 7 5

[color=red]BB checks, Hero ?

villain was a 33/23 over sa small sample, no specific reads. the sb was a reg 21/18, 3b:8 over 100 hands.
though i posted the action on the flop, i'm not sure about it.
what's the best line ?

eugh...

Call flop definitely. I don't love it but the fact that we have blockers to TJ and a gutshot which is always good makes it a straightforward call.

The reason I say I don't like it is because I don't yet know what I'm going to do on a lot of turns.

By this point we should have constructed a range for villain and this is what I'm really struggling with.. I would imagine he has 99+, AQ+ or similar

I can't see a worse hand calling and the only hand I expect to get value from is TT exactly so I'm going to just check and try to get to showdown.

If he checks a river brick I will go thin on the river.. 1/3 pot or so

sb is almost always folding.
bbs range is all over the flop, do some calcs and see if you are +ev on a shove

fold pre without better reads.

both players have QQ+ in their range and you are basically setmining by calling pre. You cant happyly stackoff on a lowcard board to any opponent and you have a tough spot on the flop like always.

Fold or 4bet pre. Possibly call if the players are bad.

Call or shove flop. If I would call, I would fold the turn to a bet.

As played, shove as bluff or check it back.

How can you guys ever recommend a fold preflop? Even if you think their ranges are strong you still have enough implied for a setmine call against 2 opponents IP.

I think both calling and shoving is decent. If you shove you do it as a semi-bluff with whats probably a 6-outer when your behind and you might get it in vs TT which is one of the likely hands he cold calls a 3bet with. He might also be taking a stab with air since it looks like SB is giving up.

If you call your still IP and you can decide on the turn. If he bets again when i dont improve im probably folding.

By thinking that set farming is not profitable. It might be, then it's a good call obviously. But I guess we'd rather keep the 8 bucks. Are you also calling 22?

The odds are a bit better in this hand because villain made somewhat of a small 3bet(this actually might weaken BB's range). Would you still call if it was 9 or 10 to call?

I speak for myself, but I was not recommending a fold, just the way I would play it or see it. I think there's a difference. I am also learning.

with position?
are you out of your mind?

Your flop raise is terrible. I'd rather fold than raise the flop.

+1 I call pre, call the flop and happily fold to a turn bet since we are ahead of so little, as played does anybody bet/fold the turn or call a river bet if we check back turn?

4-bet stack pre. SB range is wide and BB range is prob 99-JJ, AQ etc. I make it around $27

Fold pre ip in 3way with JJ? I call 66-77+

I'm def not 4betting cause if you 4bet, you have to call it off and you'll never see TTs. So you have max 36% equity if one of them shoves AK there.

BB's range is mostly high broadways, he could have slowplayed AA-KK (I see it a lot when someone flats 3bet in the blinds). That donk is really weird. TT makes the most sence in my opinion. I call flop and reevaluate on the turn since I'm in position.

We are 4-betting for the fold equity which is fairly high here and will show a greater profit then flatting I think. Dun feel like doing the math though to prove this and if villain wakes up with a hand and jams over us we have enough equity where we aren't getting in too horrendous.

Yeah, dead money + BB's probable weak range makes it more profitable. But I think I'm still calling it.

Flop min reraise is lol bad, doesnt accomplish anything accept fold out worse and get better to continue.

With that being said, TT+ makes the most sense as played. I think shoving turn is only thing to do with effective stacks at $45 and $104.5 in the pot. Since the board has ran out awful QQ-AA is going to have to make a crying call when you ship turn which accomplishes what we want to by folding out better. The one hand that calls us the most is TT which we have crushed and are happy to get it in with.

You have way more straights in your percieved range than BB does, JT 56 67 68 66. I in no way agree with the line that has been taken in this hand, but as played the only move is to shove turn.