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02-26-2017 , 07:42 PM
    Party, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37651365

    SB: $105.50 (105.5 bb)
    BTN: $147.31 (147.3 bb)
    UTG: $94.20 (94.2 bb)
    Hero (BB): $425.44 (425.4 bb)
    MP: $157.32 (157.3 bb)
    CO: $153.03 (153 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with 4 3
    UTG raises to $3, MP folds, CO calls $3, 2 folds, Hero calls $2

    Flop: ($9.50) A 5 4 (3 players)
    Hero checks, UTG bets $5.41, CO calls $5.41, Hero calls $5.41

    Turn: ($25.73) T (3 players)
    Hero checks, UTG checks, CO checks

    River: ($25.73) 3 (3 players)
    Hero bets $17, UTG folds, CO raises to $49.22, Hero folds

    Spoiler:
    Results: $59.73 pot ($2.98 rake)
    Final Board: A 5 4 T 3
    UTG mucked and lost (-$8.41 net)
    Hero mucked 4 3 and lost (-$25.41 net)
    CO mucked and won $56.75 ($31.34 net)



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    02-26-2017 , 08:40 PM
    Serious advice its:
    Spoiler:
    Fold
    Spoiler:
    Pre
    Spoiler:
    Life
    02-26-2017 , 11:27 PM
    Yeah, obviously pre is gigantic leak, but even ignoring it, what hands you are hoping are going to pay off after turn was checked thru? Only hands that check turn and have enough to pay off against your range (which has tonns of obvious straights in it) are beating you or it's a weak As turned into bluff.
    02-27-2017 , 01:27 AM
    I expect my hand to look fishy and to get called off with single pairs.
    02-27-2017 , 03:13 AM
    Why is it such a big leak though? I'm calling $2/$9.50. I need 21% equity. I actually have about 22% equity vs two players.
    02-27-2017 , 03:22 AM
    And I'm only expecting flushes or bluffs to raise me on the river. All aces should bluff catch, all two pairs and sets are too weak, and there shouldn't be any 2s that would have called unless we're speaking specifically of 22.
    02-27-2017 , 05:36 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by gir
    Why is it such a big leak though? I'm calling $2/$9.50. I need 21% equity. I actually have about 22% equity vs two players.
    This logic would hold if you were all in preflop. In reality, 43o is going to under-realize its equity unless you're playing vs whales.

    Consider raising flop and bet smaller on the river if you're gonna bet.
    02-27-2017 , 10:25 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Ojune
    This logic would hold if you were all in preflop. In reality, 43o is going to under-realize its equity unless you're playing vs whales.

    Consider raising flop and bet smaller on the river if you're gonna bet.
    Can you recommend any sources on learning more about over/under-realization?
    02-27-2017 , 12:28 PM
    Fold pre. /thread
    02-27-2017 , 09:27 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by gir
    I expect my hand to look fishy and to get called off with single pairs.
    That's a really stupid assumption here, sorry. What is fishy when you bet into the board that smashed your range where EVERYTHING got there except 87. It's looks fishy as in "fishy" - strongly suspicious as value bet because there are no bluffs left.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by gir
    Why is it such a big leak though? I'm calling $2/$9.50. I need 21% equity. I actually have about 22% equity vs two players.
    You were answered this and really dude, if that's how you build your big blind defence (based on raw equity), you should move down and seriously study.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by gir
    And I'm only expecting flushes or bluffs to raise me on the river. All aces should bluff catch, all two pairs and sets are too weak, and there shouldn't be any 2s that would have called unless we're speaking specifically of 22.
    What kind of bluffs can you even think off for CO in this spot? He has all kinds of flushes here except maybe 98s-79s given the action, he has all suited combos of 67s, he has all A2s.
    02-28-2017 , 04:43 AM
    fold pre, u need more equity for a call like this from bb
    02-28-2017 , 04:52 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by gir
    Can you recommend any sources on learning more about over/under-realization?
    Just think of it like this. You call, flop comes KQ3. UTG c-bets, you fold. Potentially the best hand. You just can't continue on any board unless you flop two pair+. Your equity is denied since you only saw 3 cards, and even then you can fold the best hand to a c-bet.

    65s would probably be the bottom of my calling range here. 54s is close, would probably call
    02-28-2017 , 07:10 PM
    I'll just add to Mino's post by saying that the folding the best hand thing is especially true in 3-way pots. Just to reinforce, raw equity is not how to think about big blind defense or poker in general for every decision.
    02-28-2017 , 11:04 PM
    Yeah, especially 3-way you're way less likely to get to SD. UTG will c-bet a lot still, and if he misses the c-bet cold-caller is going to stab at the pot a lot with hands like two overs/backdoors, or bet for value with his made hands. Your range for completing the BB will be pretty weak overall, and you're OOP so both players will be betting into you pretty liberally
    03-01-2017 , 08:37 PM
    What are the worst hands still worth calling for BB defense? What % of hands should I be calling to small bets like this?

    Last edited by gir; 03-01-2017 at 08:37 PM. Reason: clarifying my question
    03-02-2017 , 01:17 AM
    fold pre
    fold flop or raise
    smaller OTR(25%-33%) or check
    03-02-2017 , 03:14 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by gir
    What are the worst hands still worth calling for BB defense? What % of hands should I be calling to small bets like this?
    people have given you advice. it's your decision to extrapolate on it or not. there's an overwhelming amount of nlhe preflop advice online through many avenues (even the microstakes forum on 2p2!). seek it out if you want to learn and get better. nobody in the ss forum is going to spoon feed this advice.
    03-03-2017 , 08:16 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by .isolated
    nobody in the ss forum is going to spoon feed this advice.
    You never know unless you ask...And frankly, if people ask for advice in threads (2+2 or other), I do my best to give the best most extensive advice I can. You're free and clear to speak for yourself, but it's a bit presumptuous to assume that because you don't want to elaborate, that nobody else does. Not to mention, the best way to learn something is to teach it to somebody else...So there's one more reason I like doing it, it helps my game improve to be able to explain things to others.
    03-05-2017 , 01:07 AM
    seems okish if both guys are terrible. But better to dont go that wide

          
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