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06-23-2012, 07:08 AM
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grinder
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 516
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nl100 AJ top2 3way
Poker Stars $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 1804129
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Hero (CO): $114.65
BTN: $107.24
SB: $100.00
BB: $98.72
UTG: $101.97
MP: $120.61
Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is CO with A  J
2 folds, Hero raises to $3, BTN calls $3, 1 fold, BB calls $2
Flop: ($9.50) 4  A  J (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $7.50, BTN calls $7.50, BB raises to $20, Hero ships?
BTN was 49/10 over 100 hands, fold to cbet 33% (18)
BB seemed to be a fishy reg, running 26/16, call open bb 30%, fold to cbet 45% and raise cbet only 7%, 3bet 3.7% fwiw (shows that he seemes to be quire straightforward). 4k hands
Do you get it in happily vs those types of passive guys? Argument can be made that he may play A4s the same way, but thats only 2 combos.
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06-23-2012, 07:20 AM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: trolling in Bangkok
Posts: 9,116
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Re: nl100 AJ top2 3way
were only really scared of 44 here that we lose too. calling is inter-desting as it has a better chance of keeping the button in. But alot of turn cards can kill our hand, or makes there stronger.
i think with the dead money in the pot id just ship
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06-23-2012, 08:43 AM
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old hand
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 1,798
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Re: nl100 AJ top2 3way
Raise to $46
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06-23-2012, 12:12 PM
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centurion
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 110
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Re: nl100 AJ top2 3way
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Originally Posted by PeoplesElbow
were only really scared of 44 here that we lose too. calling is inter-desting as it has a better chance of keeping the button in. But alot of turn cards can kill our hand, or makes there stronger.
i think with the dead money in the pot id just ship
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There is no dead money in this spot the BB is repping strength, he is never folding here.
I would just call here to keep the fish in, and play turns, he either has us crushed with a set, or we are against a draw which we know which cards help him, and he will play his hand very straight forward once he gets called. We are getting good odds on a call on the flop and we can keep the fish in. This guy seems to 3bet really low so he can still have JJ here, and seems nitty postflop so I think a call is best, since this guy might not even raise draws here. It is a bit awkward but we can't really fold yet, but shipping is only good with dead money present, which in this case there isn't.
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06-23-2012, 12:13 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Checkraising all in for pot control
Posts: 10,140
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Re: nl100 AJ top2 3way
Board: Ah Jc 4h
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 47.048% 25.17% 21.87% 2243 1949.00 { AdJs }
Hand 1: 52.952% 31.08% 21.87% 2769 1949.00 { 44, AJs, A4s, AJo }
With the dead money and the fact that you probably do well against the fish's calling range you can certainly get it in here. But flatting may be better than raising.
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06-23-2012, 01:30 PM
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grinder
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Working on that mental game
Posts: 474
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Re: nl100 AJ top2 3way
Don't really like shipping here since we will most likely shut out the fish. Im not super happy getting it in anyway because villain will either have us crushed or have alot of outs. As you said, A4 is only 2 combos...I say we see a turn.
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06-23-2012, 01:36 PM
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veteran
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Somewhere in Asia
Posts: 3,372
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Re: nl100 AJ top2 3way
I wanna call because of the fish on BTN and the fact that BB is also fishy.
We can make our move on a brick turn. Or if we hit A or J on turn then we can check/call to let them catch something by river.
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06-23-2012, 04:12 PM
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grinder
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Horsham, PA
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Re: nl100 AJ top2 3way
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Originally Posted by Jamougha
Board: Ah Jc 4h
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 47.048% 25.17% 21.87% 2243 1949.00 { AdJs }
Hand 1: 52.952% 31.08% 21.87% 2769 1949.00 { 44, AJs, A4s, AJo }
With the dead money and the fact that you probably do well against the fish's calling range you can certainly get it in here. But flatting may be better than raising.
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You don't think villain can ever have a combo draw? Wouldn't be shocked if he had KQhh, K10hh, or Q10hh here.
I'm gonna get it in here.
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06-23-2012, 05:14 PM
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grinder
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Brazil
Posts: 514
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Re: nl100 AJ top2 3way
By the reads of BB he doesn't seem the type of player who would raise KQhh here. Thinking as a str84wd player would get him to smooth call OOP the combo draws and play from there on the turn.
He is repping strenght.
I would prefer the line of calling and reassessing turn.
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06-23-2012, 05:51 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Checkraising all in for pot control
Posts: 10,140
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Re: nl100 AJ top2 3way
Quote:
Originally Posted by MattDaBeast
You don't think villain can ever have a combo draw? Wouldn't be shocked if he had KQhh, K10hh, or Q10hh here.
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Well my point was that it's OK to get in against a pure value range, but yeah I'd be pretty surprised if he has a combodraw when he cr 2/5 pot oop against two people. If he does have a combodraw then he'll probably bet-call every turn card, so logically there's not much difference between getting it in now and on the turn.
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06-23-2012, 10:45 PM
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veteran
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 2,263
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Re: nl100 AJ top2 3way
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamougha
Board: Ah Jc 4h
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 47.048% 25.17% 21.87% 2243 1949.00 { AdJs }
Hand 1: 52.952% 31.08% 21.87% 2769 1949.00 { 44, AJs, A4s, AJo }
With the dead money and the fact that you probably do well against the fish's calling range you can certainly get it in here. But flatting may be better than raising.
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you are missing KQhh, KJhh, QThh , and JJ
i raise small to 42 and get it in on the flop
Last edited by downgoesdown; 06-23-2012 at 10:58 PM.
Reason: and JJ
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06-24-2012, 01:16 AM
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centurion
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 146
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Re: nl100 AJ top2 3way
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamougha
Well my point was that it's OK to get in against a pure value range, but yeah I'd be pretty surprised if he has a combodraw when he cr 2/5 pot oop against two people. If he does have a combodraw then he'll probably bet-call every turn card, so logically there's not much difference between getting it in now and on the turn.
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How do you justify calling off on a heart?
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06-24-2012, 02:31 PM
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newbie
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: 4bet bluffing russians
Posts: 36
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Re: nl100 AJ top2 3way
He is not trying to
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06-24-2012, 05:20 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Checkraising all in for pot control
Posts: 10,140
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Re: nl100 AJ top2 3way
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Originally Posted by r4diohe4d
How do you justify calling off on a heart?
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I didn't say hero should call off on a heart; I was saying that against his combodraw range there's probably not much difference in EV between getting it in here and calling to shove every turn over his bet. I was implying that if you can fold some turns then drawing to a safe turn should have higher EV than getting it in OTF.
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06-24-2012, 07:38 PM
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grinder
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Dublin
Posts: 576
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Re: nl100 AJ top2 3way
I'd just ship the flop. If BB has any common sense he should be checking blank turns with his weak draws so why give him a chance to hit.
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