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06-05-2012, 10:51 AM
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grinder
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 517
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nl100 AA vs flop aggression by fish
Poker Stars $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 1786609
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter
BTN: $140.24
Hero (SB): $132.91
BB: $100.00
UTG: $100.00
CO: $95.08
Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is SB with A  A
1 fold, CO calls $1, BTN raises to $3.50, Hero calls $3, 1 fold, CO calls $2.50
Flop: ($11.50) 8  2  5 (3 players)
Hero bets $7.68, CO raises to $18, BTN folds, Hero calls $10.32
Turn: ($47.50) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $26, Hero folds
BTN was 20/17 reg, fold to 3bet 63% over 10k hands.
CO was 59/7, raise cbet 10% (31), fold to cbet 81% (!!), 290 hands.
pre i didnt open fish' popup - would have just 3bet the reg otherwise since the fish folds so much to cbets etc.
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06-05-2012, 10:57 AM
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newbie
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 39
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Re: nl100 AA vs flop aggression by fish
mh, tough spot. i assume the fish doesn't have a 3betting range so he could have weaker overpairs, right? in that case i prefer 3b/broke vs the fish, 3b/fold vs the reg. i don't see any point in calling the flop OOP when you can be almost certain that the fish is going to bet the turn with frequencies unknown to you and very bad implieds on your outs.
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06-05-2012, 11:16 AM
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newbie
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Lodz, Poland
Posts: 49
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Re: nl100 AA vs flop aggression by fish
the fish seems really passive so I don't know, maybe folding was correct
however the fish can be playing overpairs like that here including even 99... and probably a lot of weird gutshot/fd draws that I am not even including...
Board: 8d 2h 5d
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 40.964% 40.94% 00.02% 17835 9.00 { QQ-88, 55, 22, AdKd, AdQd, 85s, 85o }
Hand 1: 59.036% 59.02% 00.02% 25707 9.00 { AcAs }
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06-05-2012, 11:55 AM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: May 2008
Location: broken monitor land
Posts: 3,535
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Re: nl100 AA vs flop aggression by fish
3-bet get it in or fold on the flop, the real question is do you think he will do this with an overpair, i doubt he raises a flush draw against you though. 10% raise C-bet stat is on the nittier side. If you don't see very many 99-AA combos in his range then chuck it on the flop because you are flipping or crushed (and mainly crushed)
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06-05-2012, 02:56 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: trolling in Bangkok
Posts: 9,141
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Re: nl100 AA vs flop aggression by fish
im more with raising/folding on the flop then flatting, I dont think they ever turn up with total airball, so not much reason to call to bluff catch. either draw or hand they are value betting. I close my eyes and shove, hopefully they have 99+ A8
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06-05-2012, 05:34 PM
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veteran
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Somewhere in Asia
Posts: 3,448
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Re: nl100 AA vs flop aggression by fish
I would 3bet this preflop.
As played, bet/fold flop vs the passive fish.
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06-05-2012, 06:37 PM
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grinder
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Dublin
Posts: 576
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Re: nl100 AA vs flop aggression by fish
I'd definitely 3bet pre but as played, I'm probably not folding. If CO was a reg who would have a better understanding of my leading range 3 way on this board I'd find a fold at some point.
I think he's bluffing rarely but somebody who is playing 60% of their hands, even the passive guys have to overplay such a small part of their range for 3betting or calling the raise to be better than folding. You're worried about six, maybe nine combos of hands you're behind to and this guy could easily be raising/not folding worse overpairs, 8x and the occasional draw.
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06-05-2012, 08:32 PM
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centurion
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 171
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Re: nl100 AA vs flop aggression by fish
given that he limped i probably fold flop (maybe unless he limps lots of strong hands too). still 3betting this pre though because if his limping range is full of **** then most of your value is going to come from preflop if he's a station pre and folds a lot postflop. also will look like a resteal/iso play to btn.
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06-05-2012, 10:58 PM
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stranger
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 14
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Re: nl100 AA vs flop aggression by fish
I don't like messing around too much OOP, especially 3 handed, so I'd 3bet pre-flop. As played, I just don't think I can let it go against someone with those stats. It seems like 99-QQ could easily be in his range, so I probably 3bet flop and get it in there or the turn.
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06-06-2012, 06:26 AM
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journeyman
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 376
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Re: nl100 AA vs flop aggression by fish
maybe fish limps preflop 99, TT... not too sure about that!
other hands he can have crush us!
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06-06-2012, 07:41 AM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: PLEAAAAAAAAAAAASE come home cesc!
Posts: 19,107
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Re: nl100 AA vs flop aggression by fish
preflop is very bad, get money into the pot ffs(button is super wide, CO calls your 3bet super wide, button knows that you know that he is super wide and therefore plays back lighter)
postflop you should know best(after 290hands of playing 59% of his hands you should have a very good idea how he plays)
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06-07-2012, 01:26 AM
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journeyman
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Singapore
Posts: 363
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Re: nl100 AA vs flop aggression by fish
Preflop I think you should definitely 3bet pre. What were your reasons for not?
Flop I think I prefer a 3bet and get it in.
As played, if you call flop I don't really see how you can fold turn. What changes on the turn? When you called flop, what turn card were you hoping for? The 3c is one of the best cards in the deck for you, I think (other than completing your set of course). It does give you a few additional outs if you're behind, and it's pretty much the blankest card in the deck. Do you think he's capable of playing 99-QQ this way? Personally against most fish at this level I'd say yes, and stack off.
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06-07-2012, 02:29 AM
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newbie
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 26
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Re: nl100 AA vs flop aggression by fish
3 BET PRE
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06-07-2012, 08:00 AM
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veteran
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Sweden
Posts: 3,481
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Re: nl100 AA vs flop aggression by fish
given how often the fish just folds to c-bets it's a crime not to 3-bet pre. i'd get it if it was a calling station that you wanted to keep in the pot, but even then it's probably more value just to 3-bet pre.
as played i'd 3-bet flop and get it in, feeling ok. as played i'd x/rai turn.
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06-08-2012, 11:39 AM
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grinder
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 517
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Re: nl100 AA vs flop aggression by fish
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blend
pre i didnt open fish' popup - would have just 3bet the reg otherwise since the fish folds so much to cbets etc.
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chillax maybe  ?
im more interested in postflop play.
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