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Min raise by nit! Min raise by nit!

04-15-2017 , 09:14 AM
I live on the Costa Del Sol, Spain and play regularly at my local casino. We get a lot of tourist of various levels so every week the faces change, there are a few regs but we tend not to mix it up as we all prefer playing the tourists.

There is one guy been playing the last week, presume a tourist, he is a super nit playing very few hands text book ABC stuff very easy to knock off a sticky board.
Playing NLH 2€/1€ my stack 270€ nit about 188€
I was in the BB with 93off and the table folded to super nit on the B, he min raised me when normally a 3xbb raise. OK the guy has a hand and wants me in, the price is right so calling here with any 2!

The flop comes 9s9d3c BINGO! I check hoping for continuation bet but our nit checks, flop comes Qd so I need to build this pot so bet 1/3 pot bet. Instant fold from our nit whom shows JJ and utters "Nice hand friend".

WTF! How could I have played this better to get our nit to commit to the pot????
04-15-2017 , 09:45 PM
Fold pre-flop.

As played previously, I'd bet flop bigger.
04-16-2017 , 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Lego05
Fold pre-flop.
For 1bb with 1bb in the pot giving me 2.5/1 in a cash game I am calling everyday and twice on a Sunday with any 2 against this player, he has a tight range so have an idea where I am with any flop!
04-17-2017 , 03:01 AM
Fold pre
04-17-2017 , 06:44 AM
Fold pre, as played hand is okay, but bet Turn bigger. Also maybe don't do a lap around the table and tell everyone that you just flopped a full house if you want to get paid in the future.
04-17-2017 , 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by WarPix
Fold pre, as played hand is okay, but bet Turn bigger. Also maybe don't do a lap around the table and tell everyone that you just flopped a full house if you want to get paid in the future.
Disagree re fold pre was getting good odds in position against a very tight player in a cash game!

As regards running round the table 25 years of playing live so I hope I do not give much away but you never know and never to old to learn
04-17-2017 , 11:06 AM
Fold pre. Just because you have amazing pot odds doesn't justify flatting with a hand as terrible as 93o.....especially against a nit.
04-17-2017 , 11:20 AM
You are out of position. What do you think his range for minraising is? How much equity do you think you can usually realize in a BB vs BU single-raised pot as BB? How much do you think you can realize here against a weaker opponent?
Edit: By realizing I mean a percentage number, so e.g. if you were All In preflop, you would exactly realize your equity vs his range (so 100%). This number can be higher or lower depending on the spots you get yourself in.
04-18-2017 , 02:53 PM
You are out of position with a very disconnected hand and almost no odds at all to call. Outside of AK, you need pretty perfect flops in order to play your hand straight up. Was your intent to try and outplay the nit or just get lucky with your 10%?

What was your plan on the flop? x/r or x/c? I think if you are checking the flop you should check the turn as well especially with the Q falling in line with his range of super nit.
04-19-2017 , 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by bigcountry85
You are out of position with a very disconnected hand and almost no odds at all to call. Outside of AK, you need pretty perfect flops in order to play your hand straight up. Was your intent to try and outplay the nit or just get lucky with your 10%?

What was your plan on the flop? x/r or x/c? I think if you are checking the flop you should check the turn as well especially with the Q falling in line with his range of super nit.
Yes! The intention was to try and out play with a flushy/draw type flop, I had him on AK/Q or big PP, I had decided to muck if the board was suited to his range. I had stolen a few pots from him already up to this point so felt was reading him well, however did misread as did not expect him to have Js. Of course had I put him on Js would have checked down to the river before betting but hindsight is an exact science and I am no Doyle Brunson!

As a footnote some loose play can have longer term benefits as only last night was involved in a hand with our nit, again he min raised my blind, I 3bet, he 4bets. I shove all in and was surprised with a snap call as our nit has QQ, I turn over AA, Aces hold! Our nit whom is a good sport as no tilt, thought I was light again and trying to run over him and decided to make a stand he admitted.

So in my humble opinion sometimes you play the player not your hand, it is what he thinks you have that can win pots.
04-19-2017 , 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by anrol57
So in my humble opinion sometimes you play the player not your hand, it is what he thinks you have that can win pots.
You always play the player, not the hand....but most winning players will play the player with a somewhat decent hand at the very least.
04-19-2017 , 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by anrol57
Yes! The intention was to try and out play with a flushy/draw type flop,
You have 93 offsuit. On a flushy/drawy type flop, you can't have equity with a good draw.


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Originally Posted by anrol57
I had him on AK/Q or big PP, I had decided to muck if the board was suited to his range.
Pretty much every flop is somewhat "suited" to a range of AQ+,TT+

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Originally Posted by anrol57

I had stolen a few pots from him already up to this point so felt was reading him well, however did misread as did not expect him to have Js. Of course had I put him on Js would have checked down to the river before betting
Umm, why? Seems like the exact opposite of what you should do if you knew he had jacks.


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Originally Posted by anrol57
As a footnote some loose play can have longer term benefits as only last night was involved in a hand with our nit, again he min raised my blind, I 3bet, he 4bets. I shove all in and was surprised with a snap call as our nit has QQ, I turn over AA, Aces hold! Our nit whom is a good sport as no tilt, thought I was light again and trying to run over him and decided to make a stand he admitted.
Calling raises pre with 93o shouldn't make your pre-flop 3betting range seem wider and get you more action on 3bets. Calling and 3betting are different things.

Also, even for a super nit QQ vs. AA button vs. blinds is going to result in action. The guy with AA having an image of "some loose play" will have very little to do with getting the guy with QQ to "make a stand."

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Originally Posted by anrol57
So in my humble opinion sometimes you play the player not your hand, it is what he thinks you have that can win pots.
So you called with 93o against a guy with a very strong range with the plan to bluff him off the strong range later while having a minimal chance to flop decent equity? Doesn't seem like a good idea.

Or did you call with 93o against a guy with a very strong range hoping to flop two pair or better and get a lot of money into the pot vs. an overpair? Also doesn't seem like a good idea.
04-21-2017 , 07:01 AM
Fold Pre... there are many other weak hands (but better than 93off) that you can call a min-raise. You don't want to call 100% of your hands against anyone's min-raise.
04-25-2017 , 12:34 AM
How can you act first playing from the big blind? And 4th card is called "the turn"
04-28-2017 , 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by alfa3ET
Fold Pre... there are many other weak hands (but better than 93off) that you can call a min-raise. You don't want to call 100% of your hands against anyone's min-raise.
Yep! Given me the pot odds will call with any 2 as any 2 can win! Poker is not all about maths it is about reads as well if I think your weak will 3, 4 bet and float with air. On the other hand if I think you have a hand will muck faster than grease lightning! That is why I do not play much of this on-line poker as I can not see your face and the bead of sweat on your brow.
There is not many on-line players that do well playing live, Tom Dwan is a rare exception. Jungleman most likely the best on-line player ever but struggles against the live pros.
04-29-2017 , 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by anrol57
if I think your weak will 3, 4 bet and float with air. On the other hand if I think you have a hand will muck faster than grease lightning!
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Originally Posted by anrol57
he is a super nit playing very few hands .....

the guy has a hand
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Originally Posted by anrol57
he has a tight range
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Originally Posted by anrol57
against a very tight player
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Originally Posted by anrol57
I had him on AK/Q or big PP

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04-29-2017 , 05:20 PM
If this guy is check/check/folding JJ on 9s9d3cQd to 1/3 pot I would be calling any two.
05-04-2017 , 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by hehexd
If this guy is check/check/folding JJ on 9s9d3cQd to 1/3 pot I would be calling any two.
My point exactly!

      
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