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obv i was exaggerating, but i think there is a valid point to be made that real variance is much longer and can be much harder than most of us can really understand...some people win a ton more than they "should" because of that, and some people win a ton less

there's still luck involved in the long run, anyone who doesn't think so is just being obstinate

This is true but--no harshness intended--welcome to life. Do you think businesses that succeed while others fail had nothing to do with luck? Gladwell is a bit of a hack but Outliers gives some good perspective on this issue. If you're looking for a meritocracy online poker is about as close as you'll find on this planet.

Thinking too much about justice in poker/life is also just not very healthy imo. I remember you being frustrated by the fact that some people lose while others who you feel are less deserving win. That was when I recommended Jared Tendler's book. I used to have a similar mentality but I think getting rid of it has been really important for me in poker and life

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10-17-2012 , 11:45 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by shpanko

I think this is poor phrasing tbh. I don't think one can "overestimate" the amount of skill involved in poker but rather only underestimate the blunting/exaggerating effect of luck. The higher ones edge/ true winrate (though this is probably fairly unknowable) the less likely one is to have massive downswings or massive long BE stretches.

That said, we will all eventually go through one or more massive stretch of negative variance. I had what basically amounted to a 200k hand, 5-6 month BE stretch last year. Like shipit says, it alters your perception of people's ranges and skews one's usually good instincts to seeing monsters under the bed constantly and being too timid. It's incredibly tough to get through those stretches. I myself had to drop down to 100 nl and even 50nl for about a month for the first time in over 6 years. Once you win 5+ BI's and start to play well again by playing a lower variance game at lower stakes things slowly turn around though and eventually your game will get back to where it once was. Gl shipit, always thought you were a great player and I hope you persevere through this.

Kinda nitty, but I can agree with the phrasing comment to some extent.

I'd add that when you're in the midst of a terrible downswing, sometimes it makes sense to STOP talking strat with your group of friends, and focus on only one player who you "know" is solid. I know when I was in that spot, it was frustrating beyond belief to discuss a hand with multiple people and get multiple answers saying that I was both wrong and right. While they may well have both been right and it came down to me providing appropriate reads, it did more to make me feel unlucky and confused than to help sort the problem.

I guess the flip side of that were the hands where I was SURE my play was right, and multiple good players would tell me I was wrong for the same reason.

Still, 99% of life is luck, starting with what vagina you came out of, and poker is no different. FACT

10-17-2012 , 11:54 AM

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I agree much more with nurture than nature in terms of whether it's genes or upbringing that determine what you are like, but I have to agree that nature is much more important when you expand it to include where, when and to who you are born (disregarding genetic factors)

10-17-2012 , 11:55 AM

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I remember writing an essay in English at school on whether Frankenstein's monster was the result of nature or nurture, and just realised how woefully ill-equipped I was to answer that question. Seems a bit unfair to set that to a 15 year old...

10-17-2012 , 12:04 PM

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shipit2kg

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thx for the gl's and what not everyone

10-17-2012 , 12:44 PM

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nurture, obv. props for not calling the monster "Frankenstein." :-)

10-17-2012 , 01:30 PM

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anybody grinding clash of clans these days?

can we get some strat in here?

10-17-2012 , 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Keyser.

nurture, obv. props for not calling the monster "Frankenstein." :-)

Well if you include time, place, parent into nature then you probably have to go with that. If someone made a living person out of dead ones today then it'd probably go a lot better for the monster.

10-17-2012 , 01:59 PM

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Posted in the OOT Hip Hop thread (which is actually worth checking out)

10-17-2012 , 02:01 PM

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Speaking of hip hop:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeJat...e_gdata_player

10-17-2012 , 02:14 PM

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snipe: link fail
shpanko: link win

10-17-2012 , 02:51 PM

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idk why I can't seem to embed this

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10-17-2012 , 03:20 PM

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nice song Snipe, but the background song is well known. Can't remember from what song it is though.

you can download that mixtape here btw: http://www.datpiff.com/Curreny-Harry...pe.371058.html (you probably know datpiff if you are into hiphop)

10-17-2012 , 03:29 PM

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Nice! I've never heard of datpiff, but I'm surprisingly uninterested in the general internet. I just don't have the patience to sift through bull****, and instead rely on my team of wizards to conjure up the best that it has to offer.

10-17-2012 , 03:32 PM

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datpiff is pretty sick. Every mixtape is free for download there. Always downloaded my J. Cole, Drake, Kendrick lamar there.

10-17-2012 , 03:35 PM

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Keyser.

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oh look, a rap song about money and bitches

10-17-2012 , 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Keyser.

oh look, a rap song about money and bitches

2 of the most stupidiest things in the world right

10-17-2012 , 03:45 PM

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Keyser.

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nah, they're two pretty cool things, but i think they've been sufficiently examined through raps musics at this point imo

(i'm mostly just messing around fwiw)

10-17-2012 , 04:19 PM

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curren$y is so sick, I saw him and styles P in Wilmington a few months back, great local show

10-17-2012 , 04:26 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by curve

nice song Snipe, but the background song is well known. Can't remember from what song it is though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7-q1WRaKNg

how do you guys embed videos anyway? no idea how to do that

10-17-2012 , 04:31 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OnMyBike

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7-q1WRaKNg

how do you guys embed videos anyway? no idea how to do that

for your video, click the 'share' link. copy/paste that link. so for your video, it would be: http://youtu.be/U7-q1WRaKNg

type "[youtube]insert the code here (so for yours, it would be U7-q1WRaKNg)[/youtube*] (i put a '*' there just so you can see the code).

10-17-2012 , 04:32 PM

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not sure if that made sense but hopefully it did...

10-17-2012 , 04:35 PM

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Keyser.

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i hear Mr. Curren$y is in the running for a Pulitzer

Quote:

They ain't high as us
****** lying to ya
They ain't high as us...

Through the concrete you see a rose still rose
Counted up a million dollars 'fore that sun rose...

I think about money yea a lot of money

did he just rhyme rose with rose with rose?

though 50 might get the Pulitzer first

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picture me pen in hand write linez knowin the source'l quote it
When I die, they'll read this and say a genius wrote it...
In this white man's world Im similiar to a squirrel
lookin for a slut with a nice butt to get a nut

[ ] they'll say a genius wrote it
[x] i'm a hater
[x] emo > rap