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01-14-2012 , 07:49 AM

#301

Randiek

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Yeah I could ask that Curve, good idea. Will look into that.

Send me your stuff anyway, even if not for this job I can give you some pointers I guess.

01-14-2012 , 07:57 AM

#302

Sciolist

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In my experience it's pretty standard to put references available on request.

01-14-2012 , 08:11 AM

#303

Randiek

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I have ever only seen them listed. What advantage does this have, except for making me do extra work to look into a candidate which is never a good thing.

01-14-2012 , 08:17 AM

#304

Sciolist

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Not sure of the reasoning really. But from experience, I prefer looking at short CVs with only useful information in. I'd expect to check references at some point (by which I mean, for HR to) but it's not important information early on.

Here're some results from googling "references available upon request":

Quote:

In general, you should try to avoid any statements (such as the references one) that are glaringly obvious. Instead, keep a list of references and their respective contact details on-hand in case a prospective employer asks for them. Because this tends to happen late in the interview process and generally only if the company shows an interest in hiring you, there's no need to offer the information in advance.

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Seems to me that anyone applying for a professional, salaried position would expect that, after a good enough interview, they would be asked for references. I would not hire someone without at least a nominal reference check, and I would not hire someone who told me they had no references. So why is it so important to explicitly let the interviewer know they have references?

Quote:

Provide reference information when you are asked to provide it. If you reach the interview stage and have not been asked for references, you may offer your reference list.

Generally do not send reference information with your resume unless it has been specifically requested.

They all seem to agree without discussing that references are for later in the process.

01-14-2012 , 08:30 AM

#305

Sciolist

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Perhaps the reasoning is that there're never any bad references. They're just a check to make sure the person actually worked somewhere. So they aren't useful information until you've already decided to interview.

01-14-2012 , 09:24 AM

#306

curve

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yeah to be honest I always thought it was like Sciolist said. It's information that's only really necessary if you are interested in hiring someone and want to hear something about him from someone else + not sure how much "value" I'd give a reference when nobody is going to put a reference up there that would give a negative opinion about you.

01-14-2012 , 10:06 AM

#307

Randiek

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Well, if you worked somewhere but they weren't happy about you after 3 years, that 3 years will have to be on your CV.

I like to know who is coming in before I invite them and waste my time on them.

But then again, I have never met anyone in HR that I didn't think was worthless and often disagree with whatever is the standard solution/method for anything, so this is probably one of those.

01-14-2012 , 10:09 AM

#308

Sciolist

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You won't hear that they weren't happy though because nobody ever provides negative references. A lot of companies don't provide any opinion in the reference at all - just start date, end date, job title (and maybe salary)

01-14-2012 , 10:21 AM

#309

Randiek

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sciolist

In Holland it is legally forbidden to give a bad reference. Dumbest thing EVER.

I don't really check references btw, I just think it is silly to write down at every employer: reference on request.

01-14-2012 , 10:24 AM

#310

Sciolist

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I usually write it on my covering note, but I think I'll stop doing that. I should probably polish my CV a bit as I can start working again pretty soon... Anyone know anything interesting happening in online poker?

01-14-2012 , 01:24 PM

#311

champstark

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sciolist

In my experience it's pretty standard to put references available on request.

This

I've never seen it any other way and I used to do a fair number of interviews at my last real job.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Randiek

In Holland it is legally forbidden to give a bad reference. Dumbest thing EVER.

I don't really check references btw, I just think it is silly to write down at every employer: reference on request.

Pretty sure it's also illegal in the US, but I could be wrong.

01-14-2012 , 01:36 PM

#312

LT22

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Pretty sure it's now standard to put absolutely nothing regarding references on your resume

01-14-2012 , 02:26 PM

#313

shipit2kg

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Quote:

Originally Posted by champstark

This

I've never seen it any other way and I used to do a fair number of interviews at my last real job.

Pretty sure it's also illegal in the US, but I could be wrong.

What!? You dont know!? And you call yourself an American....smh....

01-14-2012 , 06:16 PM

#314

BeaucoupFish

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Randiek

In Holland it is legally forbidden to give a bad reference. Dumbest thing EVER.

I don't really check references btw, I just think it is silly to write down at every employer: reference on request.

You wouldn't talk to the references before you had spoken to the candidate though. Also, it lets the candidate tell their references that a recruiter might be calling them in the immediate future (if it is s situation where the referee might want to have some useful notes ready).

01-14-2012 , 06:26 PM

#315

Wraths Unanimous

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Maybe people give different references based on the position/company they are applying for? Seems like that'd make sense the more experience you get and the more people you work for/with can attest to your different skill sets. Seems much better than listing like 10+ people as references.

01-14-2012 , 07:07 PM

#316

Sciolist

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Originally Posted by Wraths Unanimous

Good point. Or you don't just send people your references anyway - just contact details for referees. That's how I've done it in the past. When I've interviewed people this has all been done by HR so I've not been too involved in that side of things

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01-14-2012 , 08:20 PM

#317

shpanko

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27 today, ugh I feel so old. Way too close to 30 imo

01-14-2012 , 08:24 PM

#318

LT22

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Originally Posted by shpanko

27 today, ugh I feel so old. Way too close to 30 imo

Happy birthday!

I feel ya on the age thing, 25.5 and I'm turning into a bitter old man.

01-15-2012 , 02:29 AM

#319

orange

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happy bday shpanko!

01-15-2012 , 08:07 AM

#320

curve

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happy bday shpanko

also who of you americans have done that hillbilly handfishing?

I just saw it on discovery channel lol.

01-15-2012 , 12:10 PM

#321

Madmaniac21

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Favorite stat from last nights game in the 3rd quarter;

Tebow Completions: 3
Brady TDs: 6

lol, weeeeee

01-15-2012 , 12:21 PM

#322

FlanCrest

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Glad I didn't wake up at 4am to watch that game, would have been depressing.

Have about 6 months to decide what kind of residency I want to pursue, and I still have no idea. I like everything. Anyone have doctors in their family or friends who are docs? Suggestions?